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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of this new July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Force has announced that a flying death

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- found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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church on the game-changer radio network

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing Network

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welcome fade to black

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the spoke radio for stop Matt says

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today's Tuesday February 5th 2019

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36 days into the new year just 329 days

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left and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening hall around the

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world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black we are live from a

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bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California for kjc are

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the game changer Network in kg re the

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planet I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is Bracken

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are you doing

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how'd you do

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I got an email today that said

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Jimmy you are truly the Howard Stern of

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UFOs I'll take that I haven't had any

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strippers in the bunker though bud all

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right I need a I need a I'm just gonna

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let that go I didn't get the email

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though all right let's do this tonight

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very special guest is joining us UFO

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researcher Michael rat is here we have

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got a lot to talk about tonight with

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Michael one of the great great

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researchers in ufology

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and yes I leaked it out I went and sat

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down with Michael for a few hours and

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went through some of his couldn't do it

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all those way too much there would take

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weeks but went through a bunch of his

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files and he gifted me are you ready

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you guys are gonna be so jealous he

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gifted me this yeah his favorite

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top-secret reports wouldn't you want to

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know what is in here look at this look

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at this illustration right here look at

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that no just that's that's what's on the

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top look don't you want that alright so

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there's that we have got a lot to talk

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about tonight and I haven't broken my

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silence with Michael here because

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tonight's gonna be a very special show

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and and the timing of it couldn't be

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better so I will let all of that fly at

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the bottom of the hour when we bring

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Michael in ok all right

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as see tomorrow Oh tomorrow's a very

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special surprise guest we will make that

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announcement tomorrow morning and

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Thursday it's another Fator night open

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lines all night long Friday I'm off

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Saturday Sunday I am over hosting coast

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to coast am okay all right then we kick

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off another Monday pretty soon I can't

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even believe it as the conscious life

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Expo that's coming up I'm very quickly

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here on us too as well

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and okay couple of things I got and I

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meant to show everybody this it doesn't

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get any better and it finally made its

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way to the bunker

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and so I can do this but I got a

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Christmas card Rita and I did from Allen

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a winner and here it is all right nice

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nice very lovely Christmas card but it's

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who sent it to me Fator one in fader to

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Evan and Sean and it came with this I

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got a bumper sticker get lost in Montana

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that's pretty cool right

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but it doesn't stop there check this out

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I got evidence Sean's fader 1 in fader

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fader - in Twitter fader one in fate or

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two from Soul Tech I got their football

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cards from flag football yeah check it

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out football trading cards how cool is

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that and I want to thank heaven and Sean

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these guys how cool is that

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okay these are proudly displayed in the

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bunker now and I got fader 1 in fader to

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trading cards and it's just a better

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check that out

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ok so proudly displayed right here in

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the bunker they are the ones that found

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that Bigfoot footprints up a nice Eddie

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along with Rajon and Kelly's son okay so

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I'm getting to sideways here but this

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stuff lights me up right there right

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there that's what happens when you're a

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parent and more on that in just a bit

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alright lots of conversation goes down

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in that sandbox our questions or

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comments is hashtag f2b q email is jimmy

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at jimmy church radio calm now breaking

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news just four hours ago Gabriel and

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Cheri Tegan welcomed into the world

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their son Apollo James Finley Tegan yeah

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born at 2:47 p.m. at eight pounds four

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ounces and a strapping 20 inches long

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and we have posted up in Twitter but

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scape Gabriel he's in the hospital and

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tweeting

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and let's stick to the show

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congratulations you two

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we have another fader taught another

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fader tied in the Femina I just cannot

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believe it

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fader Todd congratulations everything's

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healthy he is absolutely handsome and

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check him out check him out look at his

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Sherri made sure oh that is just amazing

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and I got tears of my eyes that is just

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great congratulations you two

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and then this is a great name by the way

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Apollo Apollo of holo James yeah

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beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful

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welcome congratulations and nothing like

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a life ahead it's just the the best

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feeling in the world it's the life you

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know you just get to sit and wonder oh

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look at what I didn't see this picture

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oh man look at that look at his blankie

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it's got big footprints on it you guys

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are too much you guys are too much

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congratulations

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absolutely absolutely wonderful nothing

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like it okay

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all right start making plans you to get

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the savings account going you're gonna

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start making promises right now in the

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hospital you can have whatever you want

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you're you're my boy anything you want

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well you know you got to stick to it all

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four hours ago congratulations Gabe and

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Sheree absolutely amazing all right

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at 6 p.m. tonight right before the show

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President Trump gave his State of the

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Union address and I didn't watch it

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I was busy prepping for the show I'll

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wait for I'll watch the replays and and

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get caught up on all the notes with

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everything but hopefully it didn't take

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away from our numbers

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tonight but if so I understand but

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thankfully it happens just once a year

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other news today big news big news the

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pilot of the twin-engine plane that

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broke up in the sky and slammed into a

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house here in Southern California

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the pilot was carrying a fake police

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badge before the fatal crash I mean he I

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don't know if you've seen the the

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pictures this plane just drops out of

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the sky doesn't fly just just come

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straight down and crash into this house

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killed four people in the house and the

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pilot the pilots name and Tonio pass

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Dini

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75 years old of Gardnerville Nevada he

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was identified as the pilot authorities

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initially believed he was a former

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police officer because they found the

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the badge on him but have since learned

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that he was not affiliated with the

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Chicago Police Department that makes you

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wonder and then apparently he had some

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documents with him too they're not

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talking about that just yet but he

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wasn't a cop it was a fake badge yeah

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all right now last night this is not

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conspiracy stuff this is real this is

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Los Angeles and the city is freaking out

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because after the show last night black

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helicopters started showing up all over

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Los Angeles Twitter went crazy the news

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went crazy film video pictures witnesses

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freaking people out they have been seen

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and filmed all over Los Angeles one

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landed last night on Wilshire Boulevard

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Wilshire it's like the the main drag

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here in LA we've got Sunset Boulevard

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that those are the main streets you know

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Highland there are other

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but but the main thoroughfare and the

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main Wilshire Boulevard so it lands on

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Wilshire and then these troops armed

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come running out of this high-rise

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building and and this was shot from a

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news helicopter above and also witnesses

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that were shooting out of windows what

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and and nobody announced anything right

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troops run out of the building and board

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the helicopter and then fly away

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freaking everybody out meanwhile and

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that was a lone helicopter overhead this

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is very crazy stuff overhead there were

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formations huge formations five six

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seven eight ten helicopters flying in

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the dark without their lights on so

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today and this is going all over LA so

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today they make this announcement the

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army and says oh okay you know excuse us

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but we're doing drills urban drills

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we're trying to keep our our troops

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trained in urban situations yep and they

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are saying that the exercises will

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continue in Los Angeles and Long Beach

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from last night through Saturday it's

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crazy it's crazy go go on Twitter go do

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a search take a look what's been going

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on flying low and loud without the

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lights on yeah yeah freak this city out

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last night it wasn't cool I always hear

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about black helicopters and then boom it

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starts jumping off right here in Los

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Angeles all right come and join us for

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the 2019 conscious life Expo right here

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in Los Angeles without the black

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helicopters hopefully at the LAX Hilton

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February 22nd through the 25th

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today is February 5th you do the math

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it's two two-and-a-half weeks away we

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will be there all right now Friday night

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I do have an announcement to make

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Friday night I will be hosting the panel

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with Erich von Daniken the ancient

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aliens panel celebrating the 50th

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anniversary of Chariots of the Gods

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but that panel starts at 7:00 p.m. on

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Friday it's listed as 8:00 p.m. in the

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printed program at 7:00 p.m. on the web

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it's 8:00 p.m. in the printed program so

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you don't want to be an hour late to

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that I will make the announcement every

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night on the show and we will do what we

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can during the day there but yeah they

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they it's a it's a printing error they

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made a mistake but it happens we'll make

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the announcement and then we'll just run

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with it okay but panel starts at 7:00

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p.m. on Friday you've got to get your

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tickets in advance go and check it out

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at conscious life Expo dot-com all right

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okay then our next event after that is

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contact in the desert May 31st through

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June 3rd go to contact in the desert

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dot-com following that as our 2019 Sol

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at Sol tech gathering dot-com okay

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ight let's go oh by the way Hoffman's

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old on this day in history 1869 OTD the

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biggest gold nugget in history is found

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against a restaurant over donated

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leftovers that's an amazing fact but yet

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we throw it all away we waste that's a

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1996 federal law right there

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so all those restaurant owners out there

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listening to me right now donate your

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food donate does doesn't it bother you

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you got a half a steak right a half a

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baked potato you got that you got what

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you know and you're just like I'll just

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have dessert you know and what wasted

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what do you do right donate donate

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leftover food all right here we go

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tonight

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Michael's rat is here tomorrow morning

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we will make our announcement with our

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very special surprise guest tomorrow

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Thursday is another Fator night open

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lines all night long now River moon

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coffee I remember I remember five years

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ago when I had a little debate on the

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show with the guests about Bitcoin now I

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can't remember who it was can't remember

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the guests but that's not what is

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important here what is important is that

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I spent a couple of weeks after that

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talking about it here and there you know

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Bitcoin and Rita said to me one night

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I'm serious too as five years ago enough

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Bitcoin I'm done done hearing about

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Bitcoin and that was back in the day

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right

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back then very few knew much about it

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okay it kind of had to be a little bit

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of a techie a little bit on the inside

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you know to know anything about to even

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have heard about Bitcoin but I had

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followed it since its creation when it

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was first announced and how it was done

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and the software behind it and the

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blockchain I was immersed I was

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fascinated with it and remember last

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year when I did my beanie baby

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comparison well sometimes it sucks to be

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right and I do feel bad for those who

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jumped in with a long time and lost a

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bunch of money but I did warn you

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bit coin and crypto markets have been

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hurting now for more than a year I keep

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you posted right here on the show I

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bring it up every couple of days it's a

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matter of fact right before show time it

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just took a serious dive serious dive

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it's 33 80 and if you go to coin desk go

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to coin desk Bitcoin price and look at

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what it just did in the last 20 minutes

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look at that just a complete nosedive

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and I and I and I try to keep everybody

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posted and I've tried to warn everybody

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and I've tried to stay on top of this

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but that that is not what I'm trying to

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get to okay Bitcoin here's the harsh

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reality okay because I was very public

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about it I talked about the beanie baby

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thing and and what Bitcoin probably is

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and where it will end up and I've said

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I'm saying you know a dollar a dollar a

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dollar

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well yeah being public is is pretty

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tough but if I'm wrong okay so be it a

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little egg on the face is okay once in a

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while but again here's the harsh reality

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Bitcoin topped out

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at 20,000 $89 per token on December 17

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2017 the day after the day of disclosure

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that record price was a twenty four

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thousand six hundred percent return in

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52 short weeks it's amazing but the coin

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knows died from those all-time highs

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just as quickly as its skyrocketed

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Bitcoin is now roughly 34 I just told

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you $3,300 per token that's ninety

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percent eighty nine ninety percent below

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the record from 2017 meanwhile bitcoins

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design makes it harder and harder for

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its miners to create another unit

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Bitcoin mining may not make any economic

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sense anymore the electricity needed

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costs more than the coin that's right

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the tipping point has already passed for

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many of those miners out there for

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others it will come quickly what will

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happen to the Bitcoin market when even

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the biggest and most efficient mining

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operators can't justify creating new

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tokens at it's some kind of unprofitable

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payout rate what's gonna happen the most

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obvious outcome it's gonna fade the

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black according to a fresh report from

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JP Morgan the average production cost is

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about four thousand and sixty dollars

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it's trading for thirty three hundred

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people these expenses are based on using

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the most efficient cryptocurrency mining

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chips available so if you don't have the

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most up-to-date tech you're out can't

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afford it at this point profitable

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mining is restricted almost exclusively

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to the Chinese and you know how the

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Chinese do it they tap in to other

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electrical sources that's how they do it

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they make deals with

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with manufacturing businesses and

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factories and they're like hey man let

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us tap in and we'll pay you that's only

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gonna ride for so long you don't have

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that luxury in other countries around

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the world but miners in places like

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Iceland and the Czech Republic are still

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increasing their output and they're

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hoping to cash in when Bitcoin has this

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crazy rebound and it skyrockets back up

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to $20,000 but for now those operators

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can't really make ends meet miners

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without a serious cash cushion write

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stuff as cash in their mattresses they

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won't be able to keep the lights on for

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much longer let alone eat it's a natural

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thinning of the herd and this is what is

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nuts if Bitcoin prices continue to drop

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it'll be a hard crash to zero and that

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hard crash to zero is going to come

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lightening quick because when the mining

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shuts down it would eventually become

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impossible to trade to transfer or to

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otherwise use Bitcoin at all

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in other words Bitcoin would truly

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become worthless in every sense of the

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word it'll just fade to black or maybe

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not let's say let's say the weak ones

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the ones the ones at the back of the

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herd they shut down right they leave the

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Bitcoin mining business altogether and

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and they turn it over to the Chinese the

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rate of freshly minted Bitcoin tokens

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will slow but it doesn't stop people and

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businesses continue to see some possible

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value right and maybe they use them for

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moving monetary assets right around the

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world clandestinely you know avoiding

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the banking system and according to the

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economic theory of supply and demand the

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way that I run my life I'm an American

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right if something is scarce the value

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increases if the imbalance is lopsided

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enough we're looking at the opportunity

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for another round of there's

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skyrocketing Bitcoin prices but probably

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not this is what they're hoping for in

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Iceland and Czechoslovakia they're

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hoping for that right now right there

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hanging on they're continuing to mine

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Bitcoin at a loss but if it goes back up

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to 20,000 or more per coin what they are

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mining today could be worth billions of

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dollars right so Bitcoin right now is

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headed in the direction on a map for a

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very very important test that's right

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Bitcoin needs to prove its it's worth

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it's real world Worth right is it a

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commodity is it currency as a commodity

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it doesn't hold water as a currency what

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it was designed to be used for that's

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it's worth okay now I wonder I wonder

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when the next dive downward like what

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just happened right before the show is

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gonna be the last one right well it's

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not gonna recover it's just going to go

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straight down but when it gets close to

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zero I'm all-in I swear I am seriously

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I'm in there's nothing like loading up

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on a penny stock just for giggles wait a

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minute that's it

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I just thought of something we'll call

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it bit penny this is fade to black I am

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your host Jimmy Church tonight

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Michaels rat is here bit penny bit penny

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wonder if Michaels got some Bitcoin I've

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got all the secret stuff secret files

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we've got some illustrations that are

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going to

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at a great meeting with him over the

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weekend he's one of the best so tonight

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get warm get comfortable get your drink

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at your blankie its fade to black hi I'm

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your host Jimmy church on the

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GameChanger network in kg ra the planet

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follow me on twitter @ JT radio it's

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right

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shraddh tomorrow night very special

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stay warm tonight it's Michael Shraddha

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sir Private Pilot military aerospace

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historian has lectured across the

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country on the unique subject of mystery

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aircraft and classified propulsion

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systems buried deep within the

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military-industrial complex its guest

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speaker at Oshkosh the AirVenture

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2006-2007 event the world's largest air

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show michael has developed a number of

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contacts with which have first-hand

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experience dealing with classified black

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programs including former USAF pilots

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retired Navy personnel and aerospace

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engineers that have maintained a

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top-secret s CI security clearance in an

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effort to expose government fraud waste

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and abuse

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Michael devotes much of his free time

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researching aerospace technical

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00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:08,470
documents conducting interviews and

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00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,359
traveling to multiple University

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Archives as a concerned citizen it's his

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belief that it is our constitutional

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00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,310
obligation to question authority and

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demand an accounting of unacknowledged

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special access programs that bypass

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congressional oversight and public

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scrutiny I would like to welcome back to

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fade to black mr. Michael shraddha

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Michael good evening how are you hey

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Jimmy thank you so much it's great yeah

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and it was great hanging out with you

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this weekend and I popped up a picture

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of us you know at a top-secret Starbucks

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right so but but but I tweeted it out

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and the response from everybody was

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pretty cool and they didn't see me they

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pretty funny what's in the binder man I

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want to know what's in that

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it was pretty funny and yeah and you've

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got a lot of respect out there in the

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community and that kind of respect that

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you have you know it's earned you know

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it's it's something that you have fought

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long and hard for but but there's

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something that comes along with that

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Michael and that is you have to choose

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your words wisely now because people

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look to you for intelligence they expect

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it right do you find yourself doing just

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that you can't you can't ever step out

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of the box and be a doofus you got to be

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the smart guy in the room all the time I

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think to a certain degree yes but on the

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other hand I'm still below the radar

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screen Jimmy I'm still small price and

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that's okay that's all right is is that

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by intention by the way I do this as a

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crusade and I feel that since a lot of

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these programs we've already paid for it

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once why should we pay for it again I

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feel that it should be free of charge

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and that's what I've done all my

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crossword puzzles my lectures YouTube

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everything done it's basically been free

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of charge and I feel that that's the way

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it should roll and we were talking kind

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of less Saturday regarding classified

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programs what the Air Force has and kind

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of made the point that the US Air Force

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is nothing more than a temporary

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custodian of those assets because we the

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taxpayer we own the runways we own the

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buildings the hangars the facilities the

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aircraft we pay for the salary of the

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employees that work there so we have

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every right to question authority and

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that's my mandate well and there's

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something else that goes along with

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flying under the radar they you are able

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to because they're gonna talk to you

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because you're not out there blabbing

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right and and so you're able to to gain

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confidence and that's that's probably

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more important than anything because if

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they think you're just going to run

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around and and blow their cover or do

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something that exposes them

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then they're not going to talk to you

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and your reputation is tarnished that is

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true that is true now when you were

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reading that intro

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I'm not lying when I said that you know

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I actually have spoken to some of these

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people people who worked in black

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programs like people on the b-2 stealth

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program they have blue program the

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f-117a stealth fighter I actually have

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spoken to these people recorded them on

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videotapes so I've got their stories

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down and you know couple of them have

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mentioned that they'd like to keep it

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under wraps so that's what I've done

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well and I'm not going to throw you

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completely under the bus but I'm gonna

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I'm going to tell the audience you know

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give them a little inside of like of

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like they're sitting there with us so I

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sit down with Mike and I go okay man

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first thing out about you know what

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brings you to town you're like man I'm

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researching I'm not interviewing anybody

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that is involved with the b2 program and

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that's that's what you were down here

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doing and correct that is one of the you

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know it's I hate to say this but it's

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like boots on the ground you know you

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00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,360
can do stuff from your home you can

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research on the internet but it's

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another thing to invest your time money

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resources and getting out there and and

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reaching out and here in Burbank

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which is where Michael and I met was

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right here in the middle of everything

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00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:48,990
we're all of this stuff this is ground

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zero most people think of Burbank they

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00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:52,890
think of the entertainment industry if

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00:40:00,500 --> 00:39:56,910
you are in black projects figure the

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00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:00,510
aviation industry Burbank is the center

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00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:04,160
of that technology and has been a sense

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00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,450
since the very very beginning well since

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these skunk works was formed in 43 under

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00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:13,680
Kelly Johnson yeah absolutely

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I couldn't agree more anywhere from San

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Diego all the way up the Pacific Coast

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Highway into Hong Kong in the Burbank

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into Air Force plant 42 Edwards Air

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Force Base and then Mojave at scale

757
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:28,680
composite that whole area there Jimmy

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00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:30,330
that aerospace le that

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00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:31,980
most important part that we could focus

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00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:36,000
in our yeah and the Mojave the space

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complex and Lockheed and skunk works

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00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:41,910
that is just right up the road from

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Burbank it's is there's just mountains

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that are in between it's uh it's it's

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not but a 30 40 minute drive it's it's

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right there

767
00:40:57,490 --> 00:40:54,420
the other thing to keep in mind too is

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00:41:00,200 --> 00:40:57,500
the first flight of the have blue

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00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:00,210
prototype demonstrator took place

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00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:04,350
December 1st 1977 at area 51 been rich

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00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:06,750
was there Kelly Johnson was there think

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00:41:12,110 --> 00:41:09,120
about how long that's been if someone

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00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:12,120
doesn't go around and preserve an

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00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:13,650
important part of our national history

775
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,600
we're going to lose it all yeah we're

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00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:17,760
going to lose it all because yep in many

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00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:20,070
cases the defense contractors like

778
00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:22,410
Boeing Lockheed Mel Douglas General

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00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:26,100
Dynamics when they are paid by the quote

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00:41:31,070 --> 00:41:28,770
unquote customer be at the Air Force or

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00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:31,080
the CIA when they're paid when they're

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00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:33,060
paid to do something by the customer and

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00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:35,130
the customer says I want you to scrap

784
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:37,890
this program and scrap the details they

785
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:40,530
throw out everything even even if it's

786
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:41,850
something you know that was designed

787
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:44,070
in-house and everything if the customer

788
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:46,230
pays for it they throw it out that means

789
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:48,090
all the pictures the drawings the

790
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:49,590
illustrations the historical documents

791
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:51,600
all get shredded and this has happened

792
00:41:56,570 --> 00:41:53,670
many many times and there's a lot of

793
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:56,580
these programs that were born black dyed

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00:42:02,660 --> 00:41:58,200
black we'll never hear anything about it

795
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:02,670
now it's one thing to talk about the b2

796
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:08,160
or the f-117 and they're shapes right

797
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:11,490
they look you a foam ish black triangles

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00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:15,630
from a distance it could be anything to

799
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,020
the untrained eye and they fly very

800
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:21,720
quietly most people don't understand

801
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:25,590
that until you hear them fly you're

802
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:27,150
gonna see it but you're not gonna hear

803
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:28,860
it and certainly if it's approaching you

804
00:42:35,770 --> 00:42:30,870
it's it's you're not gonna hear until

805
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:35,780
it's right overhead so a lot of these

806
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:39,090
black projects like the b2 in the 117

807
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:42,540
may have been confused for UFOs in the

808
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:43,240
past

809
00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:44,860
understand that I may have done that

810
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:47,580
made the same mistake myself but that

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doesn't mean that the tr-3b and other

812
00:42:58,109 --> 00:42:54,700
black projects that resemble black

813
00:42:59,550 --> 00:42:58,119
triangles are out there flying and we

814
00:43:03,150 --> 00:42:59,560
don't know anything about it what do you

815
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:03,160
think about that statement well one way

816
00:43:07,859 --> 00:43:05,410
I would answer that and keep in mind

817
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:07,869
that Lockheed has their skunk works used

818
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,270
to be at Burbank now that it's over at

819
00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:12,880
Air Force plant 42 actual plant 10 is

820
00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:13,720
where it's located

821
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:17,020
but McDonnell Douglas they had their own

822
00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:19,380
skunk works called the phantom works

823
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:22,600
General Dynamics they have their own

824
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:25,450
little skunk works - so Lockheed isn't

825
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:28,270
the only player in this game

826
00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:29,710
the other thing to keep in mind and

827
00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:31,540
we've talked about this before Jimmy are

828
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,060
the significant statements made by Ben

829
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:36,640
rich before he passed away

830
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:38,190
he was a head of skunk works between

831
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:42,820
1975 to 1991 really quickly here number

832
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:45,610
one he said anything you can imagine the

833
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:48,040
skunk works can do or has already done

834
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:50,650
and then the other one was said in 1995

835
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,660
just before he passed away when Jim

836
00:43:58,530 --> 00:43:55,359
Goodall got a telephone call in to him

837
00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:58,540
at the hospital there and jingle heard

838
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:00,490
this directly from Ben rich Ben rich

839
00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:02,830
said we have things in Nevada desert

840
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:05,020
that are 50 years beyond what you can

841
00:44:08,609 --> 00:44:06,910
comprehend if you've seen it on Star

842
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:08,619
Wars or Star Trek we've been there done

843
00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:09,910
that or decided it wasn't worth the

844
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:12,700
effort so the implications Jimmy of what

845
00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:15,430
that means it's just staggering and it's

846
00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:19,869
coming from Ben rich right it's coming

847
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:23,020
from Ben rich and and he's and those

848
00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:26,470
those two quotes are amazing and that's

849
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:29,790
just a whole portion of what Ben Rich's

850
00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:33,010
leaked out over the years and confidence

851
00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:34,840
with frenzy has made some pretty

852
00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:37,270
incredible statements and I recommend

853
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,700
everybody to go and read his book skunk

854
00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:42,640
works by Ben rich there's some pretty

855
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:44,320
amazing stories in there my favorite

856
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:46,690
believe it or not my favorite part of

857
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:49,630
the book was probably something that

858
00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:52,470
everybody else missed but it was they

859
00:45:01,170 --> 00:44:54,769
kept

860
00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:01,180
all their test flights of the sr-71 were

861
00:45:07,779 --> 00:45:05,150
coming back with busted screws right and

862
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:07,789
they couldn't figure out what was the

863
00:45:12,970 --> 00:45:10,249
tops of the screws were or breaking off

864
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:12,980
in flight and they were looking at

865
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:16,730
designs and it turned out that the drill

866
00:45:22,799 --> 00:45:20,210
bits that they were using had a chemical

867
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:22,809
reaction with the titanium screws and

868
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:26,630
weakened the screws right and and but

869
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:29,089
what they had to go through because back

870
00:45:34,269 --> 00:45:31,730
then it you know there weren't computers

871
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:34,279
these were drawing boards and t-squares

872
00:45:40,089 --> 00:45:37,490
and you know what I mean

873
00:45:43,989 --> 00:45:40,099
slide rules that's how they that's how

874
00:45:45,339 --> 00:45:43,999
they design those planes and so to go

875
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:45,349
back and try to figure that out was

876
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:47,180
trial and error they had to go back and

877
00:45:52,299 --> 00:45:49,400
figure it out but it was just a pretty

878
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:52,309
solid insight about how crazy that

879
00:45:55,930 --> 00:45:53,930
program was and what they had to go

880
00:45:58,059 --> 00:45:55,940
through and the stress that they that

881
00:46:01,120 --> 00:45:58,069
they did it it's such a great book now

882
00:46:04,839 --> 00:46:01,130
okay so that being said all of that

883
00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:04,849
being said I want to go back and focus

884
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:09,140
on my question which is we have all of

885
00:46:14,019 --> 00:46:11,650
these special access programs we know

886
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:14,029
especially when we look at some of the

887
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:16,970
stuff that is out there today our new

888
00:46:22,569 --> 00:46:20,349
aircrafts that are out that there are

889
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:22,579
aircraft that we certainly don't know

890
00:46:28,539 --> 00:46:26,450
about Kelly Johnson and and Ben rich all

891
00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:28,549
had visions of the future they were

892
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:30,589
designing many many many many years

893
00:46:37,779 --> 00:46:34,329
ahead were they are they working with

894
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:37,789
anti-gravity are they working with some

895
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:40,359
other propulsion systems where

896
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,480
aerodynamics don't come into play well

897
00:46:49,509 --> 00:46:46,880
interesting that you mentioned that

898
00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:49,519
because and that kind of leads right in

899
00:46:52,450 --> 00:46:50,900
here since we're talking about locky

900
00:46:54,789 --> 00:46:52,460
we're talking about skunkworks

901
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:54,799
just want to highlight that I've got two

902
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,890
crossword puzzles that I've produced one

903
00:47:01,180 --> 00:46:59,599
covering been rich in the skunk works

904
00:47:04,479 --> 00:47:01,190
the other one covers the Northrop b-2

905
00:47:07,269 --> 00:47:04,489
stealth bomber I'm offering a $5,000

906
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:07,279
cash prize for anyone who can solve this

907
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:08,580
puzzle before

908
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:11,700
this Sunday night 11:59 p.m. Pacific

909
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:15,090
time there's a hundred and sixteen clues

910
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:17,730
on the first one which includes Lockheed

911
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:20,310
and you know we don't have time to go

912
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:21,750
over all of them sue mackimmie but I

913
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:23,310
thought we could go over a couple of

914
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:24,900
quick ones here and just kind of answer

915
00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:26,730
your question I've got one here that's

916
00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:29,670
under the subheading across now this has

917
00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:33,120
been rich here quote aerospace design

918
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:36,750
has passed the blank blank stage this is

919
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,280
one of the clues here now if you think

920
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:41,040
about what the answer to this is it ties

921
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:43,350
in directly with your question peril

922
00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:45,690
space design has passed the blank blank

923
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:48,270
stage I'm not going to say what it is

924
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:50,940
but that's just one of them so that's

925
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:53,130
kind of an idea here do a couple more

926
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,490
here really quickly forty across the xfv

927
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,760
one was this next one blocks the

928
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:02,880
designation of the blackbird Kelly's

929
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:06,270
unacknowledged fifteenth rule 43 across

930
00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:08,850
this top-secret bird could do a missed

931
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:11,160
approach next one Lockheed was not

932
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:14,430
invited to this 45 across Lockheed

933
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:17,310
facility which was expanded in 1985 and

934
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:19,410
then the last one here provided been

935
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:21,300
with initial funding for stealth program

936
00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:23,190
so these are just kind of a quick few

937
00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:26,430
examples of this puzzle $5,000 cash

938
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:28,590
prizes the first person to solve the

939
00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:30,990
puzzle correctly okay we will get the

940
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:34,080
links up in Twitter to the crosswords

941
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:44,070
and the $5,000 by Sunday so Michael sent

942
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:45,570
me a couple of months ago he sent me a

943
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:48,270
Bob Lazar crossword right with the

944
00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:50,130
thousand dollars attached to it I was

945
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:53,580
like I got I got this I even I did not

946
00:48:58,820 --> 00:48:56,700
mail you back on this is nothing it has

947
00:49:01,700 --> 00:48:58,830
to help donate the money right I was

948
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:01,710
feeling pretty cocky didn't get it done

949
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:06,720
it was good that was a lot of I'm a big

950
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:11,760
crossword guy but yeah see this is what

951
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:15,300
what do you make of okay at the top of

952
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:16,560
the hour we're gonna swing around

953
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:18,900
everybody and we're gonna talk about

954
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:22,290
Koufos Koufos Jay Allen hi

955
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:26,010
Research Center up in Evanston Illinois

956
00:49:29,330 --> 00:49:28,020
that's all I'm gonna say right there

957
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:29,340
we're going to talk about Project Blue

958
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:32,460
Book and and and its cases but we're

959
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:33,810
going to talk about that at the top of

960
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:37,800
the hour but the the fact that Michael

961
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:42,450
that the tr-3b has been cited there are

962
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,930
more black triangle sightings probably

963
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,960
since Belgium to this day of which I've

964
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:51,660
had I've even photographed one myself

965
00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:53,970
there have been more sightings of that

966
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:57,150
is the tr-3b us are theirs

967
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:01,020
is it is it itto take a look at the

968
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:02,940
bottom under structure that's the most

969
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:05,880
key piece of evidence here look at what

970
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:08,580
the eyewitnesses are reporting a lot of

971
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:10,350
these crafts are tested on Thursday

972
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,500
nights and we're seeing the same thing

973
00:50:18,820 --> 00:50:15,420
over and over again we're getting these

974
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:18,830
reports of pipes tubes cylinders

975
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,690
multicolored flashing lights electrical

976
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:23,760
humming noise like a transformer or

977
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:26,190
sewing machine lights going off in

978
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:28,890
sequence not just haphazard but the Reds

979
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,570
would go off the blues ago off the

980
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:32,460
yellows would go off in sequence now

981
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,690
that was the case on the Hudson Valley

982
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:35,760
boomerang that was the case on the

983
00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:38,250
Belgium triangle also the case on the

984
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:39,870
southern Illinois triangle January

985
00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:42,420
52,000 so three different cases three

986
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:44,580
different timeframes all having this

987
00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:47,010
bottom under structure and we can go

988
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:48,600
into details why this might be a

989
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:52,020
man-made craft but really it appears

990
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,610
that the CIA the NSA the NRO DARPA

991
00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:58,440
they're trying to use the

992
00:51:01,930 --> 00:51:00,750
extra-terrestrial phenomenon as a cover

993
00:51:04,850 --> 00:51:01,940
to hide their own deep black programs

994
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:04,860
but that doesn't explain the entire

995
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:07,260
phenomenon Janee there's a there's a

996
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,450
faction of this phenomenon that

997
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:11,940
represents the core of reality and this

998
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:14,700
is borne out by David Marlar in his book

999
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:17,910
triangular UFOs where he has these 1878

1000
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:21,180
cases in prehistory cases that also

1001
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:23,010
include triangles as well this long

1002
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:23,460
before

1003
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:25,980
Kelly Johnson started the skunk works so

1004
00:51:34,330 --> 00:51:31,260
it sounds are you suggesting that we are

1005
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:34,340
using ET technology I mean

1006
00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:36,920
you're going back to 1878 and I've read

1007
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:40,820
those accounts too well that's that's

1008
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,490
predating everything as far as flight

1009
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:46,880
goes so what do we what did what are we

1010
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:50,780
suggesting here I'm suggesting that to

1011
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,070
pin down the theory that we're using

1012
00:52:00,520 --> 00:51:56,720
extraterrestrial technology in these

1013
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:00,530
vehicles is a very slippery slope I tend

1014
00:52:04,510 --> 00:52:02,180
to err more on the side of good

1015
00:52:06,970 --> 00:52:04,520
old-fashioned American ingenuity like

1016
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:06,980
they the f-117 a we've got the whole

1017
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:09,530
backstory we know how it was done who

1018
00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:13,100
was involved the backstory on it it's

1019
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:14,840
just good old-fashioned American

1020
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:17,660
ingenuity so that's the approach I like

1021
00:52:21,820 --> 00:52:19,670
to take a much more terrestrial approach

1022
00:52:23,790 --> 00:52:21,830
before jumping on something that's gonna

1023
00:52:28,090 --> 00:52:23,800
be a lot just more difficult to prove

1024
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:28,100
well the first time that I saw the f-117

1025
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:29,870
you and I talked about that over the

1026
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:32,390
weekend the first time that I saw I I

1027
00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:36,200
had no idea how it flew yeah I just

1028
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:38,630
didn't I'm just looking at it and it

1029
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:41,990
kind of looks aerodynamic but not really

1030
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:45,170
it doesn't have all of those things that

1031
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:50,030
we would normally give towards a normal

1032
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:53,050
aircraft all of that stuff is gone and

1033
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:56,510
you know you can imagine I guess but it

1034
00:53:00,490 --> 00:52:58,810
just doesn't look like it should fly

1035
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:00,500
sure sure

1036
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:03,590
well it did its thing now it's retired

1037
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,450
so you know they have something else and

1038
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:07,280
that's kind of the same thing that

1039
00:53:11,410 --> 00:53:08,720
happened with the Blackbird it was

1040
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:11,420
retired in 1990 and then they said that

1041
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:13,700
satellites could do the job that the

1042
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:15,950
Blackbird could do but then the problem

1043
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:18,170
with that is satellites have predictable

1044
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:20,210
orbits and when they utilize their

1045
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:23,630
onboard fuel their paperweights so by

1046
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:27,590
definition Jimmy by default we need in

1047
00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:29,720
either manned or unmanned system

1048
00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:32,180
reconnaissance aircraft to supplement

1049
00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:34,100
the satellites we can't just rely on

1050
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:36,440
satellites alone so just by that alone

1051
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:38,090
it tells you we've got something out

1052
00:53:44,110 --> 00:53:40,010
there no doubt about it well what do we

1053
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:44,120
make of von Braun and his research team

1054
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,600
with paperclip that

1055
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:48,400
we're saying things like well you know

1056
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:52,200
we had help you know from out there it

1057
00:53:57,420 --> 00:53:55,570
seems it seems like either they're

1058
00:54:00,090 --> 00:53:57,430
trying to throw us off the trail of

1059
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:00,100
where the technology is coming from or

1060
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:02,170
that this is a genuine whether it's from

1061
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:05,890
crashed retrieved you know flying discs

1062
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:09,010
or not or there's a trade in technology

1063
00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:11,740
I don't know but it seems like we had

1064
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:14,920
some pretty dramatic leaps when it comes

1065
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:17,500
to flight I mean dramatic steps happen

1066
00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:20,880
between 1903 with the Orville brothers

1067
00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:24,580
going into world war ii it's like you

1068
00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:26,080
know and it was only three and a half

1069
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:29,560
decades there's a little-known report

1070
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:31,060
that was published in jane's defence

1071
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,850
weekly that highlights something called

1072
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:35,920
the Dawson report I've never seen

1073
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,050
anything written in American press about

1074
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:40,720
this but it was the report that British

1075
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:42,910
intelligence put together when they were

1076
00:54:46,610 --> 00:54:45,550
vacuuming up all the stealth and

1077
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:46,620
low-observable

1078
00:54:50,580 --> 00:54:48,850
technology that were basically it was

1079
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:50,590
procured by the Third Reich and that was

1080
00:54:54,810 --> 00:54:52,630
put into three-ring binders and after

1081
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:54,820
the Kennedy assassination it was sent to

1082
00:55:00,450 --> 00:54:56,980
Washington DC and from that point

1083
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:00,460
forward there was a close liaison

1084
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:03,610
between the UK government and the United

1085
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States on stealth technology it's that's

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long going and it goes back for decades

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00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:10,960
so that just shows you that absolutely

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00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:12,760
they have their own triangles as well

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00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:15,670
they've got the technology tier now and

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00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:17,590
I don't want anybody to get confused

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00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:20,140
about mr. shraddh here we're talking

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00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:22,840
about special access programs and our

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00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:25,510
design of aircraft but that has nothing

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00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:28,690
to do with the his his research into

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00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:31,750
UFOs and what is going on there too as

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00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:34,080
well two different subjects right Mike

1097
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:37,630
well two different subjects but I guess

1098
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:39,790
the 64 billion dollar question is are

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00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:42,700
they converging are we using technology

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00:55:46,350 --> 00:55:44,710
that's recovered and hopefully we can

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00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:46,360
get into some of these crash retrieval

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00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:48,580
cases and then also consider the Q foes

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00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:52,150
cases as well how to set up oh oh oh oh

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00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:54,790
before we do that I want to get back to

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00:56:01,770 --> 00:55:58,270
the plumbing right okay now

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00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:01,780
I looked at a bunch of reports with you

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00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:06,070
one after another with eyewitnesses

1108
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:08,260
describing what they saw on the

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00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:12,490
underside of these craft and it's one

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00:56:19,310 --> 00:56:15,610
instance after another with nearly

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00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:19,320
identical reports to to being plumbing

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00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:29,700
what would that be used for well instead

1113
00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:31,810
of me just kind of making something up

1114
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:34,840
and going off of nothing let me give you

1115
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:36,550
the reference for this so that you don't

1116
00:56:39,810 --> 00:56:37,990
think I'm just making this up this is

1117
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:39,820
Inquirer or Philadelphia Inquirer

1118
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,420
September 28 1984 they interviewed both

1119
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:46,480
Dennis Fant and long-ago Driscoll these

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00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:48,430
are the primary eyewitnesses on the

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00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:51,310
Hudson Valley in one case so let me hit

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00:56:57,090 --> 00:56:53,710
you with what Dennis fanfare this

1123
00:57:00,780 --> 00:56:57,100
sighting was March 17 1983 here's what

1124
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:00,790
he said describing the craft here as it

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00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:03,730
hovered I could make out dark smoky

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00:57:09,090 --> 00:57:06,220
colors metallic beams underneath huge

1127
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:09,100
huge eye beams okay so that's Dennison

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00:57:15,330 --> 00:57:11,290
and then Monique Oh disco here this is

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:15,340
what she said it's solid it had metal

1130
00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:18,130
type like cross beams and tubular things

1131
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:20,020
hanging down here and there I was so

1132
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:21,940
close I could have thrown a ball and hit

1133
00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:24,670
it and we just keep hearing it again and

1134
00:57:28,349 --> 00:57:26,500
again to me the same type under

1135
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:28,359
structure on all these different craft

1136
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,180
well you're an aircraft historian and

1137
00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:34,720
when you hear a description like that it

1138
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:37,840
sounds like human engineering I guess

1139
00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:41,440
that something is externally mounted but

1140
00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:45,100
it feels like a cooling system radiator

1141
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:49,300
is what comes to mind well correct yes

1142
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:51,130
she was with her daughter also named

1143
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:53,560
Monique and they were near 10th New York

1144
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:56,530
and they actually followed a light to a

1145
00:58:00,720 --> 00:57:57,970
place called White Pond

1146
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:00,730
this boomerang shaped craft so directly

1147
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:04,420
over their car it was a ce2 case because

1148
00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:06,280
there was electrical static on the radio

1149
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:09,070
when this thing hovered over a frozen

1150
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,190
pond it did a flight 180 degree turn and

1151
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:14,559
back at them and then started shining

1152
00:58:18,539 --> 00:58:17,170
these multicolored lights on the bottom

1153
00:58:20,970 --> 00:58:18,549
of the crepin so you can see the

1154
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:20,980
reflection of the lights on the frozen

1155
00:58:25,799 --> 00:58:23,770
cotton below and she said that these

1156
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:25,809
things went off in sequence she could

1157
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,170
see bent book like HVAC vents pipe

1158
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,079
cylinders tubes she were looking at a

1159
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,240
man-made technology here let's take a

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00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:35,680
break right here Michael

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and everybody Michael rat is the guest

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00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:41,890
when we come back we're gonna talk about

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well what what he has and where he got

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it that's the story and I'll let Michael

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tell it it's absolutely fascinating this

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is fade to black

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our guest tonight Michael rat on the

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:40,740
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1282
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:46,380
Michael shraddh UFO researcher one of

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the best and over the weekend I sat down

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with Michael we had a great meeting and

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we started to talk about Project Blue

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Book which is the series that is out on

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History Channel right now centered on

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the life and times of J Allen Hynek and

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I'm sure with all the publicity and

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marketing that the History Channel has

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put into this that the ratings are

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probably pretty solid they certainly

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were on the first night I am not so sure

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01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:23,820
where the the ratings are today but they

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put a lot of of work into this series

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and for J Allen Hynek and his family to

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put it all out there now the public

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:41,390
perception of J Allen Hynek Michael is

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now out there and the public is seeing

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this assuming that this is all true and

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that it's all real parts of it are for

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01:05:59,960 --> 01:05:56,160
sure but I I'm not I'm not convinced

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01:06:04,340 --> 01:05:59,970
that that J Allen Hynek is crashed in a

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01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:04,350
in a plane doing research on a on a UFO

1305
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:07,500
case but nonetheless he's somebody

1306
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:09,990
that's fascinating that we all look up

1307
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to that his research center which was in

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01:06:21,890 --> 01:06:18,840
Evanston Illinois ten years ago you went

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down and visited I'm gonna hand the

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01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:26,300
story off to you what happened okay well

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01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:29,010
that's that's no problem we can do that

1312
01:06:33,590 --> 01:06:31,050
yeah we're right around ten years ago

1313
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:33,600
when I was living in Illinois

1314
01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:37,200
every Sunday I Drive to 2457 West

1315
01:06:42,860 --> 01:06:39,660
Peterson Avenue where they had the

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01:06:45,170 --> 01:06:42,870
Center for UFO studies Kalin Hynek

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01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:45,180
passed away in 86 so I never got to meet

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him but Mark rodiger was basically the

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01:06:51,809 --> 01:06:49,930
curator of the

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in there now the first thing I noticed

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when I was there is that it's a

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completely underused resource out of the

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three years that I was there you know

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kind of on a weekly basis I found there

1325
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:04,119
was just nobody there Jimmy it was being

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01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:06,910
totally underused so out of that time

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period I went through at least 40 to

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50,000 cases there dating back to the

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ghost Rockets all the way up to modern

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times and I picked out only the cases

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that had a sketch detailed sketch and a

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report from the eyewitness to go with it

1333
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,410
the other ones I didn't care about I

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01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:27,760
only wanted something that with the head

1335
01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:28,660
meat and bones

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01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:33,160
and the goal was to generate a 3d color

1337
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:35,980
illustration of the case and then have a

1338
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,990
nice line drawing to go with it to make

1339
01:07:42,299 --> 01:07:40,000
the case come alive and my thought is

1340
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that if someone doesn't go preserve an

1341
01:07:45,569 --> 01:07:43,539
important part of our national history

1342
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:45,579
we'll lose all of us a lot of these

1343
01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:47,890
cases were dead and buried for 40 years

1344
01:07:52,049 --> 01:07:50,470
had never even been seen so hopefully we

1345
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:52,059
can go over some of those cases today

1346
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:54,490
and what I'd like to do though is before

1347
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,529
we get into those I'd like to Jimmy I'd

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like to hit you with ten crash retrieval

1349
01:08:04,589 --> 01:08:01,000
cases okay before we get to that yeah

1350
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:04,599
we're gonna do that right now but when

1351
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:07,750
you what is it like Michael take me

1352
01:08:12,990 --> 01:08:10,329
through that when you're looking at are

1353
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:13,000
you looking at file cabinets that are

1354
01:08:20,249 --> 01:08:16,710
lining a room sixty thousand cases and

1355
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:20,259
and yeah but what goes to your I had

1356
01:08:26,849 --> 01:08:24,940
about 60 16 very packed file drawers and

1357
01:08:28,890 --> 01:08:26,859
then when I say packed I mean when you

1358
01:08:31,620 --> 01:08:28,900
open them up you cannot put a razor

1359
01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:31,630
blade between the cases that's how it's

1360
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:33,190
tightly packed these were and it was

1361
01:08:37,559 --> 01:08:35,049
just a matter of going through each one

1362
01:08:39,329 --> 01:08:37,569
of these one by one and I just opened it

1363
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,339
up I looked at the case I look at the

1364
01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:41,199
text if it didn't have a sketch I put it

1365
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:43,060
right back in I don't have time to you

1366
01:08:47,249 --> 01:08:44,980
know go through anything else it had to

1367
01:08:50,099 --> 01:08:47,259
have something that had a detailed

1368
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:50,109
drawing illustration some type of

1369
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:52,270
drawing to go with it with those I

1370
01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:53,679
pulled out those and out of all those

1371
01:08:59,820 --> 01:08:57,100
cases I made it came up with maybe 120

1372
01:09:01,410 --> 01:08:59,830
really good cases that had a drawing and

1373
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:01,420
text to go with it and that's really the

1374
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:02,830
bottom line was

1375
01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:06,820
done by year how are they filed oh yeah

1376
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:08,860
they're they're done by year for sure oh

1377
01:09:13,230 --> 01:09:11,170
yeah they're all organized so what did

1378
01:09:16,530 --> 01:09:13,240
you do did you say I would have started

1379
01:09:18,810 --> 01:09:16,540
right at nineteen forty-seven yeah right

1380
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:18,820
did you guys I started in there and then

1381
01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:20,170
I can't win around the Hudson Valley

1382
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:22,660
boomerang area but I covered the entire

1383
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,130
place not only that I did all the

1384
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:26,560
periodicals I did the books anything

1385
01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:28,690
that I felt might be important and they

1386
01:09:32,310 --> 01:09:30,340
let me and they let me do it they let me

1387
01:09:35,610 --> 01:09:32,320
do it they kind of mean access which I'm

1388
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:35,620
in debt to them because I was able to

1389
01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:37,090
pull out some pretty good information

1390
01:09:42,270 --> 01:09:39,070
that I don't think has ever been seen

1391
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:42,280
they it was just basically sitting there

1392
01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:43,150
for 40 years

1393
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:45,580
and nothing was nothing was being done

1394
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,350
with it so I thought let's let's make

1395
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:49,120
these come alive and that was the goal I

1396
01:09:57,090 --> 01:09:53,890
I was sitting there with you and I'm

1397
01:10:00,360 --> 01:09:57,100
holding these copies of the originals

1398
01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:00,370
you know we're with the crazy dates on

1399
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:04,750
it right you know a 1967 case and I'm

1400
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:07,450
holding the original stuff it blew my

1401
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:10,090
mind and I'm holding a copy

1402
01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:13,090
you were there going through one case

1403
01:10:19,230 --> 01:10:15,190
after another and I just can't imagine

1404
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,240
for three years that is just it took a

1405
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:21,040
long time I could only do it on Sunday

1406
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:22,570
so that's why I took so long

1407
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:24,190
so what since we're on the subject let

1408
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:25,510
me hit you with one right here now this

1409
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:28,710
was sent to jail and Hynek january 17

1410
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:33,370
2005 we after he passed away here so

1411
01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:34,690
I've got a copy of his handwritten

1412
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:37,390
letter and his hand drawn sketch which I

1413
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:38,860
thought was really interesting what this

1414
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,250
gentleman described is to me and I'm

1415
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:44,320
just gonna go right to what he's got

1416
01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:47,110
here on his notations he describes

1417
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:49,300
seeing keep in mind this is March 5th

1418
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:53,230
2003 Helena Missouri and he described

1419
01:10:58,440 --> 01:10:56,110
seeing a very large triangular shaped

1420
01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:58,450
UFO that was one football field length

1421
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:01,030
it had this cross beam and girder

1422
01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:03,970
construction like a truss bridge and it

1423
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:06,100
had a large fluorescent light on the

1424
01:11:10,890 --> 01:11:08,410
bottom but then he said Jimmy that the

1425
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:10,900
whole thing was fastened by rusty bridge

1426
01:11:14,910 --> 01:11:13,210
rivets he was kind of like comparing

1427
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:14,920
them to something you might see on the

1428
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:16,449
Golden Gate Bridge

1429
01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:18,160
and then he said and I got the notation

1430
01:11:24,740 --> 01:11:21,969
here this is 9950 p.m. it lasted about

1431
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:24,750
ten minutes here's what he said quote

1432
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:28,449
Kraft caused pictures to fall off living

1433
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:31,510
room wall and shook entire house as it

1434
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:34,719
passed by structure of Kraft resembled

1435
01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:37,090
an old trust bridge with rusted metal

1436
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:41,830
and vintage Arab rivets so Jimmy in your

1437
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:43,810
professional assessment do you feel that

1438
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:46,239
we're looking at an alien spacecraft

1439
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:51,010
here see I can go both ways on that and

1440
01:12:00,720 --> 01:11:54,300
you know why I can go both ways if

1441
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:00,730
something crossed space for ten thousand

1442
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:01,330
years

1443
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:04,510
does it still look brand-new and then at

1444
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:05,710
the end of that journey

1445
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:08,260
it goes through our atmosphere and gets

1446
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:12,010
a little toasting so I could go both

1447
01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:14,350
ways and then the other side of it it

1448
01:12:19,979 --> 01:12:17,620
sounds very very terrestrial like he

1449
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:19,989
recognized her he was looking at it

1450
01:12:27,090 --> 01:12:22,840
didn't seem alien to him so I could go

1451
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:27,100
away yeah yep I agree and that's not the

1452
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:28,810
only one we've got other cases within

1453
01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:32,290
the cutepolish files that also identify

1454
01:12:36,209 --> 01:12:34,390
these rivets on the bottom of these

1455
01:12:38,669 --> 01:12:36,219
craft like battleship steel being

1456
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:38,679
passing by rivets mm-hmm we've got those

1457
01:12:42,419 --> 01:12:40,570
cases as well I pulled those out of the

1458
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:42,429
few photos archives as well so there's

1459
01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:44,710
at least twelve cases that identified

1460
01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:47,020
that kind of a technology within the

1461
01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:50,620
file itself what do you think and then I

1462
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:52,830
want to get to these these ten crash

1463
01:12:59,729 --> 01:12:56,110
retrieval crises you've been watching

1464
01:13:02,700 --> 01:12:59,739
Project Blue Book I find it very cool

1465
01:13:05,970 --> 01:13:02,710
it's very entertaining if you take it at

1466
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:05,980
that level you're in a safe zone right

1467
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:08,770
okay you're in a safe zone what so

1468
01:13:14,939 --> 01:13:11,910
what's your take on the new series I

1469
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:14,949
actually like it I think the period

1470
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:18,250
course of the documentary docudrama I

1471
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,530
think that fits the the form fit and

1472
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:23,199
function seems to go the acting is

1473
01:13:26,370 --> 01:13:26,140
pretty solid all in all I like it I like

1474
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:26,380
it

1475
01:13:29,790 --> 01:13:28,510
I think they're doing a great job you

1476
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:29,800
know they've kind of missed the boat

1477
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:31,240
even Richard

1478
01:13:35,730 --> 01:13:33,400
had chimed in on this and some of the

1479
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:35,740
accuracy of the way they've portrayed

1480
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,800
these cases was certainly often frank

1481
01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:40,960
for she know will will certainly back up

1482
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:43,150
on this regarding the flight with

1483
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:45,490
monster case but all in all I think

1484
01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:48,190
they're doing a pretty good job you also

1485
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:52,150
just recently met with a Allen's son

1486
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,730
Paul right that is correct that is

1487
01:14:00,600 --> 01:13:56,800
correct and what's what's Paul's take on

1488
01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:00,610
the series I didn't ask him about the

1489
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:02,350
series but we definitely covered some of

1490
01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:04,870
his father's cases it was kind of like I

1491
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:07,030
delivered some mail to him that was

1492
01:14:12,420 --> 01:14:09,730
addressed to his father that was 40

1493
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:12,430
years late so hopefully he was glad to

1494
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:15,370
get some of those cases right right well

1495
01:14:23,310 --> 01:14:19,120
we'll see the next episode I it aired

1496
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,320
last night did I miss all the tonight

1497
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:25,840
tonight so we'll check it out after the

1498
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:26,410
show tonight

1499
01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:31,680
okay these are ten cases let's start

1500
01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:34,240
I've got a list here is it the same as

1501
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:37,990
what I'm looking at you should be

1502
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:39,250
looking at the same thing no I don't

1503
01:14:43,290 --> 01:14:41,320
think I broke them down in detail for

1504
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:43,300
you but I definitely want to talk about

1505
01:14:47,610 --> 01:14:45,790
some of these cases here now the

1506
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:47,620
reference for this comes from the

1507
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:50,410
Leonard Stringfield dictation notes so

1508
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:51,970
that's the reference for this and just

1509
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:53,710
so that we can get the ball rolling on

1510
01:15:00,930 --> 01:14:56,650
this now the first case involves a US

1511
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:00,940
Marine who claims in 1963 December 1963

1512
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:04,030
he guarded a flying saucer at an

1513
01:15:07,740 --> 01:15:06,250
undisclosed location for two weeks a

1514
01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:07,750
little bit of background on this

1515
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:09,700
gentleman he's married with full of

1516
01:15:15,690 --> 01:15:12,250
children when this occurred he was in

1517
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:15,700
his late 40s oh maybe 47 or 48 at the

1518
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:18,880
time he was a u.s. Marine between 1960

1519
01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:23,580
to 1966 he was a corporal and his MOS or

1520
01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:26,500
military occupational specialty was in

1521
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:29,080
weapons technology okay that's kind of a

1522
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:31,210
basic background on this gentleman right

1523
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:33,730
so he claims that he boarded this plane

1524
01:15:38,850 --> 01:15:35,890
with so you can just get the sight

1525
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:38,860
picture here it had no windows and he

1526
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:43,690
flew with a few other guards three hours

1527
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:44,570
from Cherry

1528
01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:47,840
Point North Carolina MCAS marine corpse

1529
01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:50,300
air station to an undisclosed location

1530
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:53,480
to this day he would not reveal where it

1531
01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:55,190
was so I don't know where it was it

1532
01:15:58,810 --> 01:15:57,020
could have been a Naval facility it

1533
01:16:01,690 --> 01:15:58,820
could have been a US Air Force facility

1534
01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:01,700
but he would not reveal the location of

1535
01:16:05,650 --> 01:16:02,870
where this went down

1536
01:16:07,630 --> 01:16:05,660
so I'm thinking okay Cherry Point North

1537
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:07,640
Carolina three hours where would that

1538
01:16:12,370 --> 01:16:10,490
take you well it could take it is

1539
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:12,380
somewhere on the west western states

1540
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:15,470
it's perhaps within range now I'm not

1541
01:16:19,540 --> 01:16:17,330
saying this took place at area 51 but

1542
01:16:23,650 --> 01:16:19,550
three hours from that location that

1543
01:16:25,930 --> 01:16:23,660
might get you in the Nevada Southern

1544
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,940
California region it's possible so it

1545
01:16:30,610 --> 01:16:27,440
depends on what kind of plane to be

1546
01:16:32,110 --> 01:16:30,620
using a prop yeah yeah it could have

1547
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:32,120
been why didn't say it could have been

1548
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:33,770
right Pat didn't say it could have been

1549
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:36,710
right and he didn't say what kind of

1550
01:16:44,140 --> 01:16:40,880
plane it was so now when he arrived he

1551
01:16:46,210 --> 01:16:44,150
was brought into this facility and he

1552
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:46,220
was basically told to guard this flying

1553
01:16:51,580 --> 01:16:49,250
saucer that was 40 feet in diameter 15

1554
01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:51,590
feet at the center portion was the

1555
01:16:57,460 --> 01:16:54,590
fitness there for two weeks and he was

1556
01:17:00,640 --> 01:16:57,470
granted an interim top-secret security

1557
01:17:03,310 --> 01:17:00,650
clearance he didn't know if this was a

1558
01:17:05,140 --> 01:17:03,320
new crash retrieval or if this was

1559
01:17:07,630 --> 01:17:05,150
something they had for many years but

1560
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:07,640
later on I think we'll see that perhaps

1561
01:17:11,710 --> 01:17:09,980
could have been a new crash retrieval it

1562
01:17:14,530 --> 01:17:11,720
was completely seamless that had a

1563
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:14,540
polished aluminum exterior surface it

1564
01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:16,970
looked like a hamburger Jimmy it had

1565
01:17:22,210 --> 01:17:19,070
kind of like a hamburger configuration

1566
01:17:23,950 --> 01:17:22,220
now this thing was popped up about five

1567
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:23,960
feet off the floor with these wooden

1568
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:27,920
planks and again and again and again I'm

1569
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:29,690
getting these reports of these flying

1570
01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:32,480
saucers that are examined by us

1571
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,430
technicians that are being propped up on

1572
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:36,800
planks at least five separate stories of

1573
01:17:41,890 --> 01:17:39,650
the same type description here now

1574
01:17:44,770 --> 01:17:41,900
here's the other thing they had built a

1575
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:44,780
series of scaffolding around this entire

1576
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:47,450
craft so that these white lab coat

1577
01:17:52,450 --> 01:17:49,730
technicians could see this thing up

1578
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:52,460
close at eye level so that it get a real

1579
01:17:55,630 --> 01:17:54,050
good look at this so you can imagine the

1580
01:17:56,629 --> 01:17:55,640
scaffolding that they built around this

1581
01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:56,639
thing

1582
01:18:00,979 --> 01:17:59,010
he said that there were seams on the

1583
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:00,989
bottom that made up what looked like an

1584
01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:03,510
entry hatch but Jimmy he said that these

1585
01:18:07,939 --> 01:18:05,940
seams were so close you could not put a

1586
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,949
razor blade between them they were

1587
01:18:12,740 --> 01:18:10,080
completely integrated into the bottom of

1588
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:12,750
the vehicle the same type description we

1589
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:15,360
hear at the Giza Plateau where you have

1590
01:18:20,629 --> 01:18:18,690
these limestone granite blocks you

1591
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:20,639
couldn't put a razor blade in the center

1592
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:22,500
that's exactly how this gentleman

1593
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:25,350
described this thing so no landing gear

1594
01:18:30,379 --> 01:18:27,960
no landing gear no no landing just

1595
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:30,389
picture just picture a hamburger and

1596
01:18:36,169 --> 01:18:33,449
this thing has that's 40 feet in

1597
01:18:38,629 --> 01:18:36,179
diameter 15 feet thick at the center it

1598
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:38,639
kind of tapers near the end so it's kind

1599
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:40,380
of an elliptical thing it had these

1600
01:18:45,169 --> 01:18:43,290
opaque smoky color elliptical shaped

1601
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:45,179
windows running around the outer

1602
01:18:49,879 --> 01:18:47,699
circumference of the vehicle and there

1603
01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:49,889
was a one-inch lip he made it very clear

1604
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,440
very clear that there was a one-inch lip

1605
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:54,960
between the outer exterior of the

1606
01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:58,080
vehicle itself and the outer exterior of

1607
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:00,360
these windows this small little one-inch

1608
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,260
lip there it had no landing gear no

1609
01:19:10,669 --> 01:19:07,199
things no exhaust parts no visible means

1610
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:10,679
of propulsion he witnessed at least a

1611
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:13,080
group of technical crews wearing these

1612
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:15,330
white lab coat technician coats that

1613
01:19:19,490 --> 01:19:16,920
were trying to eat access to the

1614
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:19,500
interior of the craft and the entire

1615
01:19:25,820 --> 01:19:23,369
facility had a color-coded security

1616
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:25,830
areas in different locations within this

1617
01:19:31,459 --> 01:19:28,800
facility and that was linked up to the

1618
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:31,469
badges that these personnel were wearing

1619
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:33,690
for instance as an example if you had a

1620
01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:36,300
red colored badge you were given total

1621
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:38,280
access to the entire facility and the

1622
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,409
craft itself now here's what they

1623
01:19:44,629 --> 01:19:42,239
started doing Jimmy they tried to breach

1624
01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:44,639
the hull of this craft they originally

1625
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,880
tried diamond tip drill bits that didn't

1626
01:19:53,689 --> 01:19:50,719
work then they went with cutting torches

1627
01:19:56,060 --> 01:19:53,699
so these technicians would put this

1628
01:19:59,120 --> 01:19:56,070
torch on the skin of the craft near the

1629
01:20:01,070 --> 01:19:59,130
bottom and he was told later that it did

1630
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:01,080
get hot to the touch but then when they

1631
01:20:05,899 --> 01:20:03,780
moved it away it made no effect

1632
01:20:08,209 --> 01:20:05,909
whatsoever and I thought wouldn't it be

1633
01:20:09,689 --> 01:20:08,219
interesting to the Pentagon and defense

1634
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,699
contractors

1635
01:20:15,899 --> 01:20:11,920
when they want to design aircraft using

1636
01:20:18,270 --> 01:20:15,909
this skin technology impervious to enemy

1637
01:20:20,759 --> 01:20:18,280
fire at any cost

1638
01:20:22,890 --> 01:20:20,769
they finally brought in to these

1639
01:20:25,709 --> 01:20:22,900
18-wheeler tractor-trailer trucks with

1640
01:20:27,719 --> 01:20:25,719
these massive generators on board the

1641
01:20:29,459 --> 01:20:27,729
flatbed that had these two thick

1642
01:20:30,959 --> 01:20:29,469
electrical cables that went in this

1643
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:30,969
facility and they were trying to use

1644
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:33,820
lasers to breach the hull of this craft

1645
01:20:39,839 --> 01:20:37,329
they tried five times on the seams and

1646
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:39,849
then one time on the lower left-hand

1647
01:20:45,839 --> 01:20:43,209
portion of the craft and when they shown

1648
01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:45,849
this laser on this bottom section it

1649
01:20:50,580 --> 01:20:48,670
bounced off and reflect off the curved

1650
01:20:52,979 --> 01:20:50,590
section and hit their ceiling rafters

1651
01:20:56,609 --> 01:20:52,989
and did some damage jimy according to

1652
01:20:58,979 --> 01:20:56,619
this marine and so this is what he was

1653
01:21:03,479 --> 01:20:58,989
describing here now did did you mention

1654
01:21:05,850 --> 01:21:03,489
a hatch uh yes he well he said he could

1655
01:21:08,609 --> 01:21:05,860
see what looked like the outline of an

1656
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:08,619
entry hatch on the bottom third of the

1657
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,110
craft but they never got don't ruin a

1658
01:21:17,069 --> 01:21:12,880
tried to breach it but they couldn't get

1659
01:21:19,259 --> 01:21:17,079
did they ever have access mm-hmm yeah I

1660
01:21:21,719 --> 01:21:19,269
want to get into that it doesn't appear

1661
01:21:23,790 --> 01:21:21,729
that they ever got in that's why I think

1662
01:21:25,799 --> 01:21:23,800
that this was a new crash retrieval

1663
01:21:28,109 --> 01:21:25,809
because why would they let this thing

1664
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:28,119
sit for decades if without trying to

1665
01:21:31,859 --> 01:21:30,400
breach the whole so it appears don't

1666
01:21:33,299 --> 01:21:31,869
know for sure but it appears that this

1667
01:21:35,310 --> 01:21:33,309
was a new CR case

1668
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:35,320
now here's the interesting thing there

1669
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:38,860
was a white circle that was taped off on

1670
01:21:43,879 --> 01:21:41,409
the floor directly under the outer

1671
01:21:47,549 --> 01:21:43,889
circumference of this vehicle and

1672
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:47,559
basically he was told to shoot to kill

1673
01:21:53,129 --> 01:21:50,130
anyone who tries to breach this circle

1674
01:21:56,939 --> 01:21:53,139
Air Force journalists were not allowed

1675
01:21:59,069 --> 01:21:56,949
to cross and he had to stop a Secretary

1676
01:22:01,049 --> 01:21:59,079
of the Navy from crossing the line this

1677
01:22:04,890 --> 01:22:01,059
gentleman was within seconds of being

1678
01:22:07,919 --> 01:22:04,900
shocked and actually tracked this down

1679
01:22:10,529 --> 01:22:07,929
so this happened December 1963 literally

1680
01:22:14,729 --> 01:22:10,539
weeks after Kennedy was assassinated on

1681
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:14,739
November 22nd 1963 it turns out the

1682
01:22:21,689 --> 01:22:17,650
Secretary of the Navy at that time was

1683
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:21,699
November 2nd 1963 no through November 28

1684
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:23,449
1967 wasn't men

1685
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:27,380
Paul H Mints he died in 2004 so do me

1686
01:22:32,380 --> 01:22:29,330
this could have been the exact gentleman

1687
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:32,390
that tried to breach this outer right

1688
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:34,610
hand circle that was Peyton on the floor

1689
01:22:38,380 --> 01:22:35,510
hmm

1690
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:38,390
now this this was a 1963 one in

1691
01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:43,120
Stringfield take the report ah let's see

1692
01:22:50,919 --> 01:22:47,000
probably around 86 86 that would have

1693
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:50,929
been the timeframe fascinating case okay

1694
01:22:58,300 --> 01:22:53,810
let's go to that ok that's absolutely

1695
01:23:03,370 --> 01:22:58,310
incredible and let's jump to 1951

1696
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:03,380
ok e Lloyd Gordon Cooper ok ok ok let's

1697
01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:04,610
continue down the road here we got a

1698
01:23:09,550 --> 01:23:06,620
little bit more to go on this one so

1699
01:23:12,669 --> 01:23:09,560
that was the secretary of the Navy the

1700
01:23:15,459 --> 01:23:12,679
last day that he was there he saw them

1701
01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:15,469
putting this craft on an 18-wheeler flat

1702
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:16,550
Boyd truck

1703
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:18,530
and they were putting tarps and chains

1704
01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:21,410
over the top and they were moving it to

1705
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:24,140
from place to place from base to base

1706
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:26,210
and Jim Ewan appears that that's one way

1707
01:23:30,610 --> 01:23:28,730
that they're able to keep security

1708
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,620
lockdown on these because they never

1709
01:23:34,689 --> 01:23:33,199
keep any one vehicle at any one place at

1710
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:34,699
one time they keep moving these things

1711
01:23:39,790 --> 01:23:38,000
from place to place right right yep and

1712
01:23:43,180 --> 01:23:39,800
he was told you know when he saw all

1713
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:43,190
this taking place he was told you saw

1714
01:23:49,390 --> 01:23:46,730
nothing and he knew of a few other crash

1715
01:23:51,729 --> 01:23:49,400
retrieval cases that he heard secondhand

1716
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:51,739
from some of the technicians and one

1717
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,770
included a case where three bodies were

1718
01:23:59,410 --> 01:23:56,480
pulled from the craft there were 39

1719
01:24:01,419 --> 01:23:59,420
inches tall they had no thumbs and he

1720
01:24:04,540 --> 01:24:01,429
said quote we've got quite a few bodies

1721
01:24:06,340 --> 01:24:04,550
in craft now and he heard civilian

1722
01:24:09,970 --> 01:24:06,350
scientists talking about quote-unquote

1723
01:24:11,620 --> 01:24:09,980
aliens in this coded jargon and he

1724
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:11,630
finally put two and two together and

1725
01:24:15,729 --> 01:24:14,090
that's when it dawned on him that they

1726
01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:15,739
weren't dealing with a man-made craft

1727
01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:18,860
this was a reverse engineering program

1728
01:24:22,450 --> 01:24:20,900
it finally dawned dawned on him at that

1729
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:22,460
time

1730
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,850
the craft was being moved to an

1731
01:24:29,919 --> 01:24:27,920
underground facility that he was told in

1732
01:24:32,260 --> 01:24:29,929
the western United States and it's known

1733
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,270
only by its a grid coordinate so I don't

1734
01:24:37,389 --> 01:24:34,400
think it's area 51 I think it's

1735
01:24:41,229 --> 01:24:37,399
something else like 20 to 82

1736
01:24:42,839 --> 01:24:41,239
or a a let and long designation that's

1737
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:42,849
what I think he was referring to here

1738
01:24:48,729 --> 01:24:46,010
there's particular yep this particular

1739
01:24:51,009 --> 01:24:48,739
Western facility where he was told this

1740
01:24:54,699 --> 01:24:51,019
craft that he was guarded was going to

1741
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:54,709
he said featured the sliding panels with

1742
01:24:59,949 --> 01:24:57,110
vegetation on top to camouflage its

1743
01:25:02,139 --> 01:24:59,959
location and when the doors opened they

1744
01:25:03,639 --> 01:25:02,149
revealed these heli pads that lowered

1745
01:25:05,889 --> 01:25:03,649
into the ground like these aircraft

1746
01:25:07,989 --> 01:25:05,899
carrier elevators hmm that's what he

1747
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:07,999
said that this is part of and then upon

1748
01:25:13,060 --> 01:25:10,489
release he had to sign a 10:10 agreement

1749
01:25:15,699 --> 01:25:13,070
meaning that he'd have a 10-year prison

1750
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:15,709
term and a $10,000 fine if he talked

1751
01:25:20,409 --> 01:25:18,530
about what he saw and just quickly I'm

1752
01:25:23,049 --> 01:25:20,419
going to talk about morality that he

1753
01:25:25,149 --> 01:25:23,059
discussed as well first of all Jimmy he

1754
01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:25,159
doesn't feel point blank he does not

1755
01:25:30,009 --> 01:25:27,409
feel that the world would freak out if

1756
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:30,019
the governments of the world disclosed

1757
01:25:34,569 --> 01:25:32,209
the truth about UFOs he absolutely does

1758
01:25:36,939 --> 01:25:34,579
not feel that there be a massive

1759
01:25:38,859 --> 01:25:36,949
freakout whatsoever but then he also

1760
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:38,869
said which i think is interesting and

1761
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:42,320
timely that if the bodies and the craft

1762
01:25:46,659 --> 01:25:44,449
were put on display there'd be a

1763
01:25:47,949 --> 01:25:46,669
cross-section of society that would stay

1764
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:47,959
at home and watch football

1765
01:25:54,009 --> 01:25:50,649
just like the Super Bowl of somebody

1766
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,019
really yep that's what you thought so

1767
01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:55,760
what this means and I've tried to bring

1768
01:26:02,859 --> 01:25:57,829
this up in other interviews as well is

1769
01:26:06,429 --> 01:26:02,869
that from our own US military officers

1770
01:26:10,419 --> 01:26:06,439
US Marine we we have been green-lighted

1771
01:26:13,839 --> 01:26:10,429
for disclosure so the NSA the CIA the

1772
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:13,849
NRO other spook groups you're clear to

1773
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:15,050
go you're cleared for launch

1774
01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:16,610
we have been green-lighted for

1775
01:26:20,770 --> 01:26:19,129
disclosure let's roll on this during the

1776
01:26:22,869 --> 01:26:20,780
Bush administration they had something

1777
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,879
Jimmy called the cosmic journey you

1778
01:26:28,330 --> 01:26:24,800
might have recalled this where there was

1779
01:26:30,969 --> 01:26:28,340
this plan to have a very interesting

1780
01:26:33,969 --> 01:26:30,979
exhibit that included crash retrieval

1781
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:33,979
bodies UFOs debris and was going to go

1782
01:26:39,250 --> 01:26:36,530
from state to state maybe even country

1783
01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:39,260
to country and brief the general public

1784
01:26:44,409 --> 01:26:41,030
on what they knew about you of course it

1785
01:26:48,099 --> 01:26:44,419
never happened it never happened what I

1786
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,109
thought is we we've got one minute

1787
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,719
before the break Michael go ahead okay

1788
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:52,880
that's why all right now he was asked

1789
01:26:57,580 --> 01:26:55,310
what did they learn what were the

1790
01:27:00,400 --> 01:26:57,590
lessons learned about this and his quote

1791
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:00,410
was not much so that leads me to believe

1792
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:02,810
that Jimmy they never even got inside

1793
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:03,530
this thing

1794
01:27:07,810 --> 01:27:05,690
they never with the diamond trip drills

1795
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:07,820
with the cutting torches with the lasers

1796
01:27:11,530 --> 01:27:09,770
they never even get in the breach the

1797
01:27:13,870 --> 01:27:11,540
hole so there wasn't many lessons

1798
01:27:18,189 --> 01:27:13,880
learned according to this marine there

1799
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:18,199
are when you go and jump on Google Earth

1800
01:27:22,810 --> 01:27:21,050
and and take a look across the United

1801
01:27:25,900 --> 01:27:22,820
States and get you know get west of the

1802
01:27:28,650 --> 01:27:25,910
Mississippi there are bases upon bases

1803
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:28,660
upon bases out of nowhere

1804
01:27:36,250 --> 01:27:31,850
all right and and here in Southern

1805
01:27:38,260 --> 01:27:36,260
California you jump around not only the

1806
01:27:40,510 --> 01:27:38,270
military stuff and look at China Lake

1807
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:40,520
China like the largest naval base in the

1808
01:27:44,410 --> 01:27:41,840
world and it's in the middle of the

1809
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:44,420
desert right there's a drop of water

1810
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,800
there but the private corporations that

1811
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:50,960
have all of their research facilities

1812
01:27:56,500 --> 01:27:53,840
and and radar installations and what

1813
01:27:58,270 --> 01:27:56,510
they are do there bristles it's

1814
01:28:00,670 --> 01:27:58,280
bristling it's it's all over the place

1815
01:28:05,020 --> 01:28:00,680
so the opportunity to jump from base to

1816
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:05,030
base and not not be seen doing it yeah

1817
01:28:08,860 --> 01:28:06,890
absolutely I totally agree with you

1818
01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:08,870
yeah there's hundreds and hundreds of

1819
01:28:16,060 --> 01:28:12,980
them yep it could be anywhere anywhere

1820
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:16,070
within a three-hour radius by plane so

1821
01:28:23,650 --> 01:28:21,250
that just could be maybe somewhere

1822
01:28:26,020 --> 01:28:23,660
McGill Air Force Base or something in

1823
01:28:27,610 --> 01:28:26,030
there but one a couple less points and

1824
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:27,620
we'll wrap this particular case up

1825
01:28:32,260 --> 01:28:30,050
though is that before this thing was

1826
01:28:34,570 --> 01:28:32,270
shipped out and one time when it he was

1827
01:28:37,090 --> 01:28:34,580
alone with in this facility Jenny he

1828
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:37,100
took out his small Minox camera and he

1829
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:38,960
took a photograph of this thing and

1830
01:28:46,330 --> 01:28:42,410
where is it yeah it was lost in the

1831
01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:46,340
flood back in 83 however I was able to

1832
01:28:53,380 --> 01:28:51,080
secure detailed copies of his original

1833
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:53,390
hand-drawn sketches of this craft

1834
01:28:58,150 --> 01:28:56,449
directly from the moon and then what

1835
01:28:59,500 --> 01:28:58,160
I've done is I'm not waiting for the

1836
01:29:01,900 --> 01:28:59,510
government to disclose the information

1837
01:29:03,940 --> 01:29:01,910
you know we got to get drastic with this

1838
01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:03,950
if we don't do something drastic

1839
01:29:08,020 --> 01:29:06,260
we're gonna lose our history so what

1840
01:29:10,420 --> 01:29:08,030
I've done is I've taken those sketches

1841
01:29:11,740 --> 01:29:10,430
from memory I've cleaned them up an auto

1842
01:29:14,170 --> 01:29:11,750
plate we've got kind of a mini

1843
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:14,180
disclosure here those are the files that

1844
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:16,880
I sent you those are directly cleaned up

1845
01:29:24,340 --> 01:29:20,000
drawings from the 1963 marine original

1846
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,350
sketches yeah Rita go ahead and post

1847
01:29:30,250 --> 01:29:27,440
that up in Twitter this is an exclusive

1848
01:29:33,940 --> 01:29:30,260
for everybody we're going to get that

1849
01:29:36,670 --> 01:29:33,950
image posted up right now and let's take

1850
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:36,680
our break this is fade to black I am

1851
01:29:42,690 --> 01:29:37,880
your host Amy Church our guest tonight

1852
01:29:47,260 --> 01:29:42,700
Michael shrap when we come back the 1951

1853
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:47,270
Gordon Cooper UFO intercept this is

1854
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:49,040
incredible we talked about it over the

1855
01:29:57,330 --> 01:29:51,370
weekend I'll be right back stay with us

1856
01:29:57,340 --> 01:30:07,169
[Music]

1857
01:30:13,379 --> 01:30:10,350
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1858
01:30:15,909 --> 01:30:13,389
you're listening to faint and black

1859
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:15,919
always on the edge of the hottest

1860
01:30:20,469 --> 01:30:17,209
alternative talk

1861
01:30:39,659 --> 01:30:20,479
Jimmy church with fade to black stay GRA

1862
01:30:43,299 --> 01:30:39,669
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1863
01:30:45,759 --> 01:30:43,309
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1864
01:30:48,069 --> 01:30:45,769
more than our fair share this is Jimmy

1865
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,079
Church of fade to black and last month I

1866
01:30:52,419 --> 01:30:50,239
decided to make sure my family does not

1867
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have to worry about food that should we

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get caught in a real emergency situation

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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

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Michael shraddh we just posted up in

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Twitter it's flying by now everybody's

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retweeting but the images from the 1963

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marine UFO encounter and Michael's

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drawings of that and this is the thing

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Michael and I were sitting there we

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talked for a couple hours few hours and

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he's got literally probably say 500

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cases sitting in front of me in this

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binder and and we we got pretty pretty

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deep into I don't know 10 20 maybe 30

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cases we didn't even scratch we didn't

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even dent that binder by keeping keep in

1951
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mind Jimmy that that's one of a hundred

1952
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97 binders total that's insane to me

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insane insane and and it was just one

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case after another the majority of them

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I had never heard of and that's what's

1956
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that's what's so incredible here it's

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your research and how you handle this

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Michael it's just it's a it's you

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deserve a medal we'll figure something

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out okay yeah that time but what I want

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to stress is I'm not making these up

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they all have paperwork to back it up so

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these have a historical agency and

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lineage behind them and it was one case

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after another where I'm going okay I've

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you know I've got the top page I've got

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the report then I've got the witness

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drawings and then then a photograph with

1969
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every single case that you have just

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01:36:20,860 --> 01:36:17,810
just incredible okay now we discussed

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this last one the 1951 Gordon Cooper UFO

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intercept one of the most one of the

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most incredible cases and we all know

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01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:29,360
Gordon Cooper we we've heard his

1975
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statements on UFOs and and his position

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01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:37,040
on the subject for sure but most of us

1977
01:36:41,660 --> 01:36:40,310
don't know about this 1951 a UFO

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intercept

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okay so let's clip this off Jimmy we're

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01:36:49,610 --> 01:36:47,580
talking about Gordon Cooper one of our

1981
01:36:52,250 --> 01:36:49,620
original mercury astronauts and out of

1982
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all the astronauts that had talked about

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UFOs by far

1984
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Gordon Cooper is the most outspoken by

1985
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far and then Jimmy

1986
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:03,030
on March 27 to 1978 he was on the Merv

1987
01:37:08,150 --> 01:37:05,610
Griffin Show and he made a series of

1988
01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:08,160
shocking comments that totally rattled

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the audience you know I'm just gonna hit

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you with some of the things that move

1991
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:13,770
had said you know this is Merv Griffin

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01:37:21,020 --> 01:37:18,840
speaking March 27th 1978 coal there's a

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story going around Gordon that a

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spaceship did learned in middle America

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and there were occupants and members of

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our government were able upon the

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01:37:32,660 --> 01:37:29,820
documents alive for a period of time

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it's seen the metal of the aircraft and

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they know what the people look like is

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that a credible story and then Gordon

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comes back here I think it's fairly

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credible I would like to see the time

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when all qualified people not trying to

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01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:46,200
make a dollar song from your stories

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01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:49,380
could really work together to properly

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01:37:54,590 --> 01:37:51,540
investigate these stories and either

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01:37:57,290 --> 01:37:54,600
refute or prove them then both came back

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01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,300
and said do you believe that UFOs are

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01:38:02,060 --> 01:37:59,760
coming to Earth or have come to earth in

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the past Gordon Cooper quote I believe

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they have and are on a regular basis so

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that brings us to 1951 when he was

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assigned to an airbase in West Germany

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and he remembered the week when an

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01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,740
entire fleet of the efficient craft

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passed over the base at that time and

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this happened like on a daily basis the

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first day it was seen by the Weathermen

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who noticed a strange objects flying at

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a high altitude later the entire fighter

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01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:33,960
group saw them as well and here's what

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their Gordon Cooper had to say about

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this quote unlike fighters they would

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stop in their forward velocity and

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change 90 degrees sometimes in the

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middle of their flight back so they were

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01:38:51,230 --> 01:38:48,570
flying Cooper and his fellow pilots were

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flying f-86 Sabre jets and F it in force

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and they tried to intercept these craft

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but were absolutely

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01:38:59,540 --> 01:38:57,510
we not able to catch up to these things

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01:39:02,030 --> 01:38:59,550
no doubt about it here's what he said

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01:39:04,130 --> 01:39:02,040
here Jimmy quote we could never get

2034
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:04,140
close enough to pin them down but they

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01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:06,510
were round in shape and very metallic

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01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:08,850
looking so coming from one of our

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01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,500
astronauts I feel it's reliable it's as

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01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:15,600
reliable as it gets and there's

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01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:19,050
something else about Cooper

2040
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:22,550
Gordon Cooper that I always think about

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01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:28,460
he he had a genuine concern in his eyes

2042
01:39:33,620 --> 01:39:31,110
when you know you look at his face when

2043
01:39:35,570 --> 01:39:33,630
he discussed UFOs but there was

2044
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:35,580
something else too that I thought was

2045
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:38,040
telling he always seemed a little bit

2046
01:39:47,630 --> 01:39:42,770
nervous scared he saw he saw things and

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he it shook him to his core I think it

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01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:49,560
affected Gordon for the rest of his life

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01:39:55,459 --> 01:39:52,380
I don't think he was ever the same well

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who was building this in 1951 that can

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outpace the f-86 he was being used right

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01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:02,280
and and here we have Gordon Cooper true

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01:40:08,570 --> 01:40:06,270
bona fide American Hero American hero

2054
01:40:13,070 --> 01:40:08,580
one of the original astronauts that's it

2055
01:40:15,530 --> 01:40:13,080
you know and if you can't depend on his

2056
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:15,540
knowledge his eyes he's a fighter pilot

2057
01:40:22,459 --> 01:40:18,210
and now he's an astronaut so he's gone

2058
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:22,469
through all of the psychological testing

2059
01:40:27,140 --> 01:40:24,840
and background and medical stuff that

2060
01:40:29,930 --> 01:40:27,150
you can possibly go through at the

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01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:29,940
highest levels on this planet at that

2062
01:40:36,530 --> 01:40:33,420
time there were no exceptions to it so

2063
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:36,540
for him to to have this kind of

2064
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:38,250
testimony and make these kinds of

2065
01:40:48,890 --> 01:40:40,770
statements we have to take Gordon Cooper

2066
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:48,900
at his word we have to Bank on so ok

2067
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:52,320
what happened yeah let's continue with

2068
01:40:58,100 --> 01:40:54,090
this did he file a BitTorrent anyone

2069
01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:58,110
yeah okay so this next case also

2070
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:01,260
involves Gordon Cooper this is 1957 this

2071
01:41:06,069 --> 01:41:03,330
is one of those legendary cases with in

2072
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:06,079
ufology Oh

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01:41:10,810 --> 01:41:08,570
air force base yeah this is Edwards Air

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01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:10,820
Force Base in 1957 he was a project

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01:41:16,089 --> 01:41:14,090
manager at Edwards at the time and he

2076
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:16,099
assigned a group of photographers to a

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01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:18,260
remote portion of the base for the

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01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:20,150
purpose of installing this precision

2079
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:23,840
landing instrumentation they had motion

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01:41:28,750 --> 01:41:26,780
picture film cameras with them and they

2081
01:41:30,850 --> 01:41:28,760
were recording these precision landings

2082
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:30,860
and let me just hit you with what

2083
01:41:35,950 --> 01:41:33,050
they're Gordon Cougars stated here Colt

2084
01:41:38,260 --> 01:41:35,960
while the crew was out there they

2085
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,270
spotted a strange-looking craft above

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01:41:43,810 --> 01:41:40,880
the lake bed and began taking films of

2087
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,820
it okay then he goes on quote hovering

2088
01:41:47,979 --> 01:41:45,679
above the ground and then it slowly came

2089
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:47,989
down and sat on a lake bed for a few

2090
01:41:53,890 --> 01:41:51,050
minutes and this whole thing Jimmy was

2091
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:53,900
caught on film they got this on motion

2092
01:41:58,930 --> 01:41:56,449
picture film real no doubt about it it

2093
01:42:00,520 --> 01:41:58,940
was about the size of a vehicle maybe

2094
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:00,530
your own thirty feet in diameter

2095
01:42:06,609 --> 01:42:03,260
according to Gordon Cooper I was shiny

2096
01:42:08,919 --> 01:42:06,619
silver in color just before it landed on

2097
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,929
the dry lake bed it extended these three

2098
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:11,119
landing gear legs and then it touched

2099
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:14,449
down there the camera crew got within 20

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01:42:20,799 --> 01:42:17,290
yards of it before it departed and

2101
01:42:23,290 --> 01:42:20,809
Gordon Cooper did not physically see the

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01:42:25,839 --> 01:42:23,300
craft himself but once the film was

2103
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:25,849
developed inside Edwards facility the

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01:42:31,870 --> 01:42:28,400
photo lab there he ran it through a

2105
01:42:34,450 --> 01:42:31,880
projector at least 12 times and held up

2106
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:34,460
the film he did see the craft on the

2107
01:42:38,919 --> 01:42:36,290
film but he didn't see the actual craft

2108
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:38,929
physically and then he went on to say

2109
01:42:43,810 --> 01:42:41,510
here not too many people saw it because

2110
01:42:46,330 --> 01:42:43,820
it took off at quite a sharp angle and

2111
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:46,340
just climbed straight out of sight and

2112
01:42:49,899 --> 01:42:48,320
at that point Jimmy I think you know

2113
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:49,909
what happened from there an Air Force

2114
01:42:54,250 --> 01:42:51,920
courier we believe from Andrews Air

2115
01:42:59,080 --> 01:42:54,260
Force Base was sent to Edwards Air Force

2116
01:43:01,390 --> 01:42:59,090
Base in a briefcase there this film was

2117
01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:01,400
put into the briefcase it was handcuffed

2118
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,340
to this career it either sent to Andrews

2119
01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:06,800
Air Force Base or Bolling Air Force Base

2120
01:43:13,689 --> 01:43:10,369
or perhaps somewhere in the Pentagon

2121
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:13,699
like the third the fifth floor of the

2122
01:43:17,169 --> 01:43:15,110
Pentagon's Dearing could have been

2123
01:43:19,359 --> 01:43:17,179
somewhere there bottom line is they must

2124
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:19,369
have a warehouse Jimmy full

2125
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:22,400
of this information the gun camera

2126
01:43:28,330 --> 01:43:25,040
footage to eight-by-ten glossies maybe

2127
01:43:29,890 --> 01:43:28,340
the alien autopsy reports reports from

2128
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:29,900
pilots that have seen these things the

2129
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:32,330
kind of bombshell physical evidence that

2130
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:36,050
we need to move this field forward it

2131
01:43:40,060 --> 01:43:38,239
was stored at this location and probably

2132
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,070
dozens of others around the country

2133
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:43,070
Holloman I want to see Holloman yeah

2134
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:47,710
yeah right I want to see Holloman man

2135
01:43:56,379 --> 01:43:53,530
the I want to move on a Jackie Gleason

2136
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:56,389
the reason the reason why I think Jackie

2137
01:44:04,839 --> 01:44:00,400
Gleason is is so important here is that

2138
01:44:07,839 --> 01:44:04,849
first off his relationship to Richard

2139
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:07,849
Nixon okay and and okay we know about

2140
01:44:15,370 --> 01:44:11,330
that so that's urban myth urban legend

2141
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:15,380
today for sure but Jackie built his

2142
01:44:24,959 --> 01:44:20,690
house to look like a flying saucer and

2143
01:44:28,990 --> 01:44:24,969
you you don't you don't do that unless

2144
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,000
you're motivated beyond words right he

2145
01:44:33,070 --> 01:44:31,520
literally built a flying saucer house I

2146
01:44:34,359 --> 01:44:33,080
think it's still I think that's there

2147
01:44:37,629 --> 01:44:34,369
out there I think it's still out there

2148
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:37,639
yeah okay so the background research on

2149
01:44:43,570 --> 01:44:40,400
this one is and there's a little bit to

2150
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,580
tie in on this Leonard Stringfield he

2151
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:46,159
received a letter from an airman based

2152
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:48,650
at homestead Air Force Base who claims

2153
01:44:53,169 --> 01:44:50,210
to have seen a craft and one of the

2154
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:53,179
hangars sometime around 1979 so there is

2155
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:55,489
possibly some supporting evidence to

2156
01:44:59,439 --> 01:44:57,710
this case now we're talking about the

2157
01:45:02,410 --> 01:44:59,449
famous Jackie Gleason

2158
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,420
Dalene body UFO encounter at homestead

2159
01:45:08,589 --> 01:45:05,119
Air Force Base allegedly took place

2160
01:45:10,570 --> 01:45:08,599
February 19 1973 now the part of the

2161
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,580
story now this thing is legendary with

2162
01:45:15,550 --> 01:45:13,040
in ufology as you know a part of the

2163
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:15,560
story that is true and can be verified

2164
01:45:21,310 --> 01:45:19,040
is the fact that both Jackie Gleason and

2165
01:45:24,370 --> 01:45:21,320
President Richard Nixon did in point

2166
01:45:26,500 --> 01:45:24,380
effect attend this charity golf outing

2167
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,510
that part of the story is true no doubt

2168
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:28,880
about it we also know that Jackie

2169
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:31,489
Gleason was a huge paranormal buff he

2170
01:45:35,380 --> 01:45:33,170
loved UFOs he has

2171
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:35,390
massive UFO collection that's been

2172
01:45:40,300 --> 01:45:37,610
donated to the University of Miami there

2173
01:45:42,430 --> 01:45:40,310
and as you mentioned he did build a

2174
01:45:44,140 --> 01:45:42,440
house in Peekskill New York called the

2175
01:45:46,780 --> 01:45:44,150
round house at the cost of eight hundred

2176
01:45:48,430 --> 01:45:46,790
thousand dollars so that part of the

2177
01:45:50,740 --> 01:45:48,440
story absolutely checks out

2178
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:50,750
so Jimmy somewhere around the ninth hole

2179
01:45:56,890 --> 01:45:53,810
the subject of UFOs came up as it

2180
01:46:00,250 --> 01:45:56,900
sometimes does and then later that

2181
01:46:02,290 --> 01:46:00,260
evening President Nixon was said to have

2182
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,300
shown up at Gleason's house alone

2183
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:04,880
driving his own car and he says Nix

2184
01:46:08,140 --> 01:46:07,070
Jackie I think I can I could help you

2185
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:08,150
with some of the things that we were

2186
01:46:10,660 --> 01:46:09,920
discussing on the golf course this

2187
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:10,670
afternoon

2188
01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:14,570
so Richard Nixon drives Jackie Gleason

2189
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,270
to homestead Air Force Base he's cleared

2190
01:46:23,530 --> 01:46:19,520
through the security guards and then

2191
01:46:25,780 --> 01:46:23,540
under an armed guard escort Gleason was

2192
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:25,790
kind of treated to a tour of a secret

2193
01:46:30,820 --> 01:46:28,910
repository and shown debris of what they

2194
01:46:33,790 --> 01:46:30,830
felt was a crash beautiful in these

2195
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,800
large storage containers and this has

2196
01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:35,600
believed we've been through a crash

2197
01:46:41,229 --> 01:46:37,310
retrieval that was being kept in this

2198
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:41,239
large room or warehouse area he also

2199
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:44,210
recalls seeing what he termed quote six

2200
01:46:50,410 --> 01:46:48,080
glass top coke freezers with small quote

2201
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:50,420
childlike beings inside that measured

2202
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:52,610
about two feet tall there were at least

2203
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:55,610
two other freezers there that contained

2204
01:47:00,220 --> 01:46:57,890
the mangled remains of figures that look

2205
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:00,230
much older like they've been in sort of

2206
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:03,199
some type of crash of some sort and then

2207
01:47:07,570 --> 01:47:05,570
when Jackie Gleason was driven back by

2208
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:07,580
Richard Nixon to his home around 11:30

2209
01:47:14,140 --> 01:47:11,330
p.m. Gleason was physically visibly

2210
01:47:16,209 --> 01:47:14,150
shaken he threw himself down on his

2211
01:47:18,729 --> 01:47:16,219
armchair and Jimmy he was a changed man

2212
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:18,739
at that point from that point forward he

2213
01:47:28,450 --> 01:47:22,010
was a totally changed man the first time

2214
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:28,460
that I saw a star move in the sky right

2215
01:47:34,110 --> 01:47:30,410
and stopped the first time that that

2216
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:34,120
happened I almost passed out I mean

2217
01:47:41,709 --> 01:47:39,170
because we're all you know emotionally

2218
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:41,719
invested into this subject and we read

2219
01:47:44,879 --> 01:47:44,030
and we research and we you know and we

2220
01:47:46,919 --> 01:47:44,889
in our

2221
01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:46,929
friends and all of that but the moment

2222
01:47:49,979 --> 01:47:48,760
that something like that now I do you

2223
01:47:53,370 --> 01:47:49,989
know it's happened to me so many times

2224
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,380
it's just it's just fun now but but the

2225
01:47:58,679 --> 01:47:55,840
first time I know what Jackie was going

2226
01:48:01,049 --> 01:47:58,689
through because you've invested your

2227
01:48:02,819 --> 01:48:01,059
personal time you're emotionally tied in

2228
01:48:05,250 --> 01:48:02,829
to this but you go and you get

2229
01:48:08,939 --> 01:48:05,260
confirmation your change

2230
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:08,949
it's an epiphany it's a brand-new day it

2231
01:48:14,009 --> 01:48:11,530
doesn't become real until it happens to

2232
01:48:15,870 --> 01:48:14,019
you personally that's it so yes I agree

2233
01:48:20,850 --> 01:48:15,880
mm-hmm and then he went and built a

2234
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:20,860
house let's let's move on to the next

2235
01:48:24,959 --> 01:48:23,590
case here this involves the USSF gear

2236
01:48:29,159 --> 01:48:24,969
aircraft carrier

2237
01:48:31,139 --> 01:48:29,169
this is CV a 42 this is late 1958

2238
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:31,149
Guantanamo Bay Cuba now keep in mind

2239
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:33,070
this is the first aircraft carrier to

2240
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:35,590
cure a nuclear weapons onboard now was

2241
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,090
this the report that I went through yeah

2242
01:48:43,379 --> 01:48:42,159
we did go through it with the drawings

2243
01:48:45,209 --> 01:48:43,389
right with the drawings of the air

2244
01:48:47,639 --> 01:48:45,219
carrier okay that's correct

2245
01:48:49,979 --> 01:48:47,649
that's correct so this took place at

2246
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:49,989
night during a shakedown cruise primary

2247
01:48:54,839 --> 01:48:51,760
eyewitnesses a man named Chester

2248
01:48:57,989 --> 01:48:54,849
grazinsky he was assigned to the FDR in

2249
01:49:00,719 --> 01:48:57,999
July of 1958 he worked in the repair

2250
01:49:04,259 --> 01:49:00,729
detail so sometime around 9:00 p.m.

2251
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:04,269
there was a significant commotion that

2252
01:49:09,569 --> 01:49:07,510
begins spreading blow decks all these

2253
01:49:11,429 --> 01:49:09,579
naval personnel started rushing up the

2254
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,439
ladder to get to the flight deck and

2255
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:13,599
once they were topside there were at

2256
01:49:18,929 --> 01:49:16,719
least 25 naval personnel there that

2257
01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:18,939
reported kind of like a small light that

2258
01:49:23,250 --> 01:49:20,649
appeared to be following the ship and

2259
01:49:25,889 --> 01:49:23,260
then it started increasing its rate

2260
01:49:28,379 --> 01:49:25,899
toward the ship itself this thing made

2261
01:49:31,949 --> 01:49:28,389
no Sun whatsoever and it maneuvered like

2262
01:49:33,659 --> 01:49:31,959
unlike any known aircraft at the time it

2263
01:49:35,370 --> 01:49:33,669
started descending toward the flight

2264
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,380
deck and it parked itself Jimmy a

2265
01:49:41,370 --> 01:49:38,320
hundred feet off the flight deck visible

2266
01:49:43,409 --> 01:49:41,380
to all these naval personnel below this

2267
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:43,419
thing was about a hundred feet in length

2268
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:46,329
a cigar-shaped craft along the side of

2269
01:49:51,839 --> 01:49:48,610
it had a series of rectangular shaped

2270
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:51,849
portholes with what they termed figures

2271
01:49:57,359 --> 01:49:55,239
or beings looking back at them of the

2272
01:49:58,850 --> 01:49:57,369
naval officers below and he said that

2273
01:50:01,550 --> 01:49:58,860
one of these beings kind

2274
01:50:03,979 --> 01:50:01,560
leaned up to the window and put his hand

2275
01:50:06,169 --> 01:50:03,989
over his head like he was waving at the

2276
01:50:09,530 --> 01:50:06,179
naval officers below this is all within

2277
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:09,540
visual range now this is a ce2 case

2278
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:12,300
because the naval personnel they could

2279
01:50:18,050 --> 01:50:14,730
feel the heat emanating off this craft

2280
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:18,060
being radiated on their faces so it puts

2281
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:21,119
us in the category of a CT - just before

2282
01:50:27,020 --> 01:50:24,090
departing this entire cigar-shaped craft

2283
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:27,030
turned an orange color and then departed

2284
01:50:31,609 --> 01:50:29,130
at a high rate of speed without making

2285
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:31,619
any sonic boom at all so this is the USS

2286
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:36,210
FDR case now in this report right with

2287
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:39,840
his drawings so one thing that was

2288
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:42,570
curious I brought it up to you in his

2289
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:44,520
drawings of the aircraft carrier he's

2290
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:48,480
got a group he draws stick figures of a

2291
01:50:54,979 --> 01:50:51,330
group of witnesses on the flight deck

2292
01:50:58,280 --> 01:50:54,989
and I think in the report when I read

2293
01:51:01,490 --> 01:50:58,290
the handwritten part pointing towards

2294
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:01,500
the group he said approximately 25

2295
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:05,130
witnesses correct it says here on the

2296
01:51:13,540 --> 01:51:07,650
sketch the wording is a little weird me

2297
01:51:16,850 --> 01:51:13,550
plus 25 men seen this yes yes oh right

2298
01:51:19,129 --> 01:51:16,860
yeah so this is a multi witness case

2299
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:19,139
that was a ce2 because there was

2300
01:51:25,609 --> 01:51:22,050
physical effects pretty incredible case

2301
01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:25,619
and and his his recollection the

2302
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:27,719
drawings and the way that he has laid it

2303
01:51:33,770 --> 01:51:31,170
out truth it's always truth is in the

2304
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:33,780
details you know and it's all right

2305
01:51:38,859 --> 01:51:36,810
there it's a that's a fantastic report

2306
01:51:41,300 --> 01:51:38,869
the first time that you got your hand on

2307
01:51:44,359 --> 01:51:41,310
stringfield's report oh by the way I'm

2308
01:51:46,010 --> 01:51:44,369
gonna tell everybody I'm holding the

2309
01:51:50,859 --> 01:51:46,020
report I look down at the bottom I go

2310
01:52:00,260 --> 01:51:54,919
holding it in my hand and that report

2311
01:52:02,899 --> 01:52:00,270
was dated when 1967 encounter took place

2312
01:52:07,879 --> 01:52:02,909
in late 1958 that's when it took place

2313
01:52:10,710 --> 01:52:07,889
yeah the report was 67 I think mmm I've

2314
01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:10,720
got to hold the file here

2315
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,780
yeah yeah it doesn't matter but you know

2316
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:15,760
holding a historical document like that

2317
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:19,570
for me was pretty cool for you to handle

2318
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:21,370
the originals and look through those

2319
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:24,250
it's it's just got to be exhilarating

2320
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:27,250
you know adrenaline rush well to see the

2321
01:52:31,140 --> 01:52:29,590
sketches yeah I mean that was nice to

2322
01:52:33,180 --> 01:52:31,150
see the sketches it was one of those

2323
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:33,190
cases where there was a at least a five

2324
01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:35,410
page report plus the original sketches

2325
01:52:39,930 --> 01:52:37,660
as well so when you put it together and

2326
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:39,940
you know it's not the only time the FDR

2327
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:41,440
had a sighting like that there were

2328
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,810
other UFO sightings associated with that

2329
01:52:50,430 --> 01:52:45,760
particular aircraft so it had a history

2330
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:50,440
to its okay it's we've got six minutes

2331
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:52,960
to the break let's and we've got so much

2332
01:52:58,920 --> 01:52:55,570
material to cover everybody we're only a

2333
01:53:00,660 --> 01:52:58,930
quarter of the way through here and so

2334
01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:00,670
Michael I hope you don't have to get up

2335
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:02,230
too early we're gonna end up doing some

2336
01:53:07,980 --> 01:53:05,530
overtime tonight let's get to this is

2337
01:53:11,730 --> 01:53:07,990
something else I haven't heard about the

2338
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:11,740
underground facility at Fort Hood yes

2339
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:12,370
correct

2340
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:15,130
now I just want to say that that we've

2341
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:18,490
got report after report of something

2342
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:21,730
strange going on at Fort Hood it appears

2343
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:23,830
to be the case now this is a base in

2344
01:53:28,530 --> 01:53:26,770
Central Texas it's a hundred and sixty

2345
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:28,540
thousand acres Jimmy we're talking about

2346
01:53:33,450 --> 01:53:31,840
a big large facility here the reference

2347
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:33,460
for this is the Leonard Stringfield

2348
01:53:39,590 --> 01:53:36,370
collections that included a letter from

2349
01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:39,600
Tommy blonde researcher March 3rd 1982

2350
01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:42,520
and it's believed that there's a huge

2351
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:46,540
underground complex within Fort Hood

2352
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:50,050
part of the gray Army Airfield complex

2353
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:52,000
which isn't kind of built into the side

2354
01:53:55,770 --> 01:53:54,190
of the hill here it has a camouflage

2355
01:53:58,440 --> 01:53:55,780
session according to the letter a

2356
01:54:00,420 --> 01:53:58,450
camouflage section of land that opens up

2357
01:54:01,770 --> 01:54:00,430
like sliding doors to reveal this

2358
01:54:03,660 --> 01:54:01,780
entrance this is like the third time

2359
01:54:05,970 --> 01:54:03,670
we've heard this now of these

2360
01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:05,980
underground facilities that have this

2361
01:54:10,590 --> 01:54:08,860
camouflage textured exterior to blend in

2362
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:10,600
with the background we've heard that

2363
01:54:17,670 --> 01:54:14,410
again multiple times and what happened

2364
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:17,680
here is that an Air Force captain while

2365
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:21,250
stationed at Fort Hood in 1972 told

2366
01:54:26,650 --> 01:54:24,560
blonds in the late 1960s about this

2367
01:54:28,750 --> 01:54:26,660
interesting event that in involve a

2368
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:28,760
private pilot he had to make this

2369
01:54:33,820 --> 01:54:31,040
emergency landing within gray Army

2370
01:54:35,740 --> 01:54:33,830
Airfield so just picture this it could

2371
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:35,750
have been a 172 I'm not sure it could

2372
01:54:40,150 --> 01:54:38,000
have been assessed in 152 but this guy

2373
01:54:42,670 --> 01:54:40,160
lands at gray Army Airfield and

2374
01:54:46,090 --> 01:54:42,680
according to the letter he is met by a

2375
01:54:49,150 --> 01:54:46,100
jeep with these MPs that had they were

2376
01:54:52,780 --> 01:54:49,160
armed with machine guns but before they

2377
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,790
got to him he saw this huge section of

2378
01:54:58,360 --> 01:54:55,520
land that opened up like giant sliding

2379
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:58,370
doors that had this vegetation on top

2380
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:01,520
showing this interior corridor the pilot

2381
01:55:07,090 --> 01:55:04,850
was met by these MPs at gunpoint he was

2382
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:07,100
ordered out of his plane he was then

2383
01:55:12,220 --> 01:55:10,010
blindfolded taken into the jeep to what

2384
01:55:15,850 --> 01:55:12,230
he thought was this underground facility

2385
01:55:18,130 --> 01:55:15,860
so he's going down this corridor he had

2386
01:55:20,830 --> 01:55:18,140
brought into this room he is on

2387
01:55:23,170 --> 01:55:20,840
blindfolded and then he's interrogated

2388
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:23,180
for about two hours he's blindfolded

2389
01:55:28,330 --> 01:55:26,330
again taken to his plane and then told

2390
01:55:30,970 --> 01:55:28,340
to never speak about the incident as

2391
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:30,980
this plane takes off they're watching

2392
01:55:36,190 --> 01:55:33,650
him take off so this is essentially the

2393
01:55:39,790 --> 01:55:36,200
crux of the case but why I think this is

2394
01:55:43,900 --> 01:55:39,800
important is because we've got multiple

2395
01:55:46,690 --> 01:55:43,910
cases within Texas for instance Hoffman

2396
01:55:50,170 --> 01:55:46,700
Texas December 29th 1980 the cash

2397
01:55:54,730 --> 01:55:50,180
Landrum incident that involved 23 double

2398
01:55:57,010 --> 01:55:54,740
rotor and CH of 43 helicopters that were

2399
01:55:59,710 --> 01:55:57,020
going with the craft itself either

2400
01:56:03,250 --> 01:55:59,720
assuring the craft or escorting the

2401
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:03,260
craft at least one gunship was with that

2402
01:56:07,630 --> 01:56:04,970
particular sighting and then we have a

2403
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:07,640
Sikorsky skycrane as well that links up

2404
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:10,400
with another case that was seen November

2405
01:56:18,490 --> 01:56:15,050
21st 1973 also in the Texas area not too

2406
01:56:21,490 --> 01:56:18,500
far from this where these two UFOs that

2407
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:21,500
look like bricks with worn off edges

2408
01:56:25,900 --> 01:56:23,840
were seen they had a series of

2409
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:25,910
multicolored lights on their surface

2410
01:56:30,820 --> 01:56:28,490
they had a metallic looking exterior

2411
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:30,830
surface that had kind of a blue-white

2412
01:56:35,710 --> 01:56:33,440
coronal discharge that was encompassing

2413
01:56:37,780 --> 01:56:35,720
the entire craft itself these things

2414
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:37,790
were approaching from the northwest this

2415
01:56:42,490 --> 01:56:38,570
is back in the

2416
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:42,500
21st 1973 the two eyewitnesses heard the

2417
01:56:47,319 --> 01:56:44,570
sound of helicopters approaching from

2418
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:47,329
the same location and there was about

2419
01:56:53,470 --> 01:56:50,090
seven of these things all in a line and

2420
01:56:57,129 --> 01:56:53,480
then the helicopters took up locations

2421
01:57:00,160 --> 01:56:57,139
above and around this UFO and then Jenny

2422
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:00,170
two jet fighter interceptors started

2423
01:57:05,319 --> 01:57:02,810
circling above the seven helicopters and

2424
01:57:07,300 --> 01:57:05,329
the two brick-shaped UFOs that all

2425
01:57:10,209 --> 01:57:07,310
slowly depart at a rate of speed that

2426
01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:10,219
was not you know supersonic but it just

2427
01:57:14,459 --> 01:57:12,260
kind of disappeared off the horizon so

2428
01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:14,469
we've got two separate cases of

2429
01:57:21,189 --> 01:57:17,030
helicopters associated with these UFOs

2430
01:57:22,689 --> 01:57:21,199
not too far from great army airfield as

2431
01:57:25,419 --> 01:57:22,699
helicopters can fly

2432
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:25,429
I love the description brick-shaped yeah

2433
01:57:32,379 --> 01:57:28,010
yep they were brick-shaped with one

2434
01:57:35,649 --> 01:57:32,389
edges when when you as a aircraft

2435
01:57:37,930 --> 01:57:35,659
historian you know you wait and you hear

2436
01:57:41,050 --> 01:57:37,940
that I can't imagine what goes through

2437
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:41,060
your mind because you like myself I love

2438
01:57:46,300 --> 01:57:43,040
helicopters and I love Jets I can name

2439
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:46,310
just about every aircraft on site it

2440
01:57:50,260 --> 01:57:48,290
doesn't matter what country you know I

2441
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,270
can go there I know what's from Spain

2442
01:57:55,689 --> 01:57:52,639
and what's from Brazil and what's from

2443
01:57:59,439 --> 01:57:55,699
here or whatever you know and but when

2444
01:58:01,600 --> 01:57:59,449
you hear brick-shaped now that's a whole

2445
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:01,610
nother thing for somebody to describe

2446
01:58:07,180 --> 01:58:03,770
you know they're not describing a flying

2447
01:58:11,339 --> 01:58:07,190
saucer or a cigar-shaped craft or

2448
01:58:13,660 --> 01:58:11,349
something else that is typical from

2449
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:13,670
eyewitnesses and becomes part of pop

2450
01:58:19,540 --> 01:58:16,310
culture and I get that I do it myself

2451
01:58:21,550 --> 01:58:19,550
yeah but Ritter not flying yep they're

2452
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:21,560
not flying on the principles of

2453
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:24,800
aerodynamics as we know them they're

2454
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:26,239
absolutely not using the Bernoulli

2455
01:58:32,109 --> 01:58:29,599
theory of lift the reference works and

2456
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:32,119
newspaper clippings that date back in

2457
01:58:38,649 --> 01:58:35,810
1954 indicate that multiple government

2458
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:38,659
facilities and cubed universities and

2459
01:58:45,129 --> 01:58:42,170
defense contractors were working hard to

2460
01:58:47,500 --> 01:58:45,139
correct the gravity barrier as early as

2461
01:58:49,209 --> 01:58:47,510
1954 so Jimmy I think somewhere along

2462
01:58:50,740 --> 01:58:49,219
that timeframe they made a breakthrough

2463
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:50,750
yeah they absolutely need a breakthrough

2464
01:58:53,500 --> 01:58:51,440
and

2465
01:58:56,380 --> 01:58:53,510
when we talk about Ford hit I got to

2466
01:58:59,410 --> 01:58:56,390
take a break in 30 seconds but we we

2467
01:59:02,229 --> 01:58:59,420
don't associate an underground facility

2468
01:59:04,780 --> 01:59:02,239
with Fort Hood in in this community it's

2469
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:04,790
not mentioned as much but when you look

2470
01:59:11,830 --> 01:59:08,960
at Fort Hood it's all underground it's

2471
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:11,840
nothing but roads that are leading to

2472
01:59:17,050 --> 01:59:14,810
doors and underground facilities it's a

2473
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:17,060
it's a massive massive base we need to

2474
01:59:21,939 --> 01:59:19,010
take a break right here Michael okay our

2475
01:59:26,590 --> 01:59:21,949
guest tonight Michael shrap when we come

2476
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,600
back oh wow we're gonna go back to 1963

2477
01:59:29,020 --> 01:59:28,400
that's what we're gonna do we'll do that

2478
01:59:30,670 --> 01:59:29,030
next

2479
01:59:34,670 --> 01:59:30,680
this is fade to black I'm your host

2480
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2579
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2581
02:03:56,330 --> 02:03:51,590
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2582
02:03:58,959 --> 02:03:56,340
you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

2583
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really love ponies I'm serious I

2584
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couldn't stay sane without poor mr.

2585
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Brooks why fade to black because you

2586
02:04:16,479 --> 02:04:13,449
this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

2587
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:16,489
on the game changer radio network and K

2588
02:04:36,140 --> 02:04:20,780
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2589
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:40,200
welcome back fade to black our guest

2590
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:42,610
tonight Michael shraddh fascinating

2591
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:46,210
fascinating show tonight and I just want

2592
02:04:50,069 --> 02:04:48,130
to let everybody know I you know I get

2593
02:04:53,129 --> 02:04:50,079
up and I walk around the bunker stretch

2594
02:04:56,879 --> 02:04:53,139
my legs during the break and I walked

2595
02:04:59,759 --> 02:04:56,889
over and picked up one of my strats over

2596
02:05:03,149 --> 02:04:59,769
the off the wall over there and was

2597
02:05:04,770 --> 02:05:03,159
playing it and I broke a string and and

2598
02:05:06,509 --> 02:05:04,780
I come back and I sit down I put it now

2599
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:06,519
I got a string that thing up and and

2600
02:05:11,790 --> 02:05:09,130
well anyway so I sit down there's a

2601
02:05:14,250 --> 02:05:11,800
tweet here from Scott he says Jimmy

2602
02:05:18,180 --> 02:05:14,260
awesome night and guess now pick up that

2603
02:05:21,330 --> 02:05:18,190
guitar and talk to me well I tried but I

2604
02:05:23,489 --> 02:05:21,340
broke a string alright Michael do you

2605
02:05:28,589 --> 02:05:23,499
play guitar do you have a do you have

2606
02:05:35,129 --> 02:05:28,599
the music gene I don't do you what do

2607
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:35,139
you play I'd like to Oh guitar it's so

2608
02:05:39,299 --> 02:05:37,570
funny this show Michael and I'm sure

2609
02:05:42,450 --> 02:05:39,309
you've appreciated this over the years

2610
02:05:45,500 --> 02:05:42,460
but about fade to black but we talked

2611
02:05:49,469 --> 02:05:45,510
music we talked conspiracy and UFOs and

2612
02:05:53,279 --> 02:05:49,479
time-travel and heavy metal and and food

2613
02:05:56,609 --> 02:05:53,289
you know it it all gets done on this

2614
02:05:59,669 --> 02:05:56,619
show and this audience is you know they

2615
02:06:03,229 --> 02:05:59,679
get it get it before the nights out

2616
02:06:06,319 --> 02:06:03,239
we'll start talking tacos okay now a

2617
02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:06,329
flying saucer scene at wright-patt in

2618
02:06:11,609 --> 02:06:08,920
1963 this is another case that I have

2619
02:06:13,020 --> 02:06:11,619
not heard about and I'm looking at some

2620
02:06:15,359 --> 02:06:13,030
of the comments here that are going down

2621
02:06:17,370 --> 02:06:15,369
on Twitter and where they're saying the

2622
02:06:21,299 --> 02:06:17,380
I haven't heard about these cases before

2623
02:06:23,489 --> 02:06:21,309
and this is this is just great stuff

2624
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:23,499
let's get to this wright-patt UFO in

2625
02:06:27,689 --> 02:06:25,630
1963 okay great

2626
02:06:31,439 --> 02:06:27,699
one thing I want to state here though is

2627
02:06:32,669 --> 02:06:31,449
that the reference references for these

2628
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:32,679
are definitely from the Leonard

2629
02:06:38,459 --> 02:06:35,679
Stringfield files but Leonard had a

2630
02:06:41,740 --> 02:06:38,469
strict policy that he would never reveal

2631
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:41,750
the identity of his sources so

2632
02:06:46,510 --> 02:06:43,730
kind of a two-edged sword and one sense

2633
02:06:49,210 --> 02:06:46,520
the identities were maintained you know

2634
02:06:51,310 --> 02:06:49,220
we don't know they were protected but on

2635
02:06:54,040 --> 02:06:51,320
the other side some of these cases are

2636
02:06:55,810 --> 02:06:54,050
35 to 40 years old and if we don't do

2637
02:06:59,320 --> 02:06:55,820
something soon they'll be lost for all

2638
02:07:01,470 --> 02:06:59,330
history that's right so that's kind of a

2639
02:07:04,270 --> 02:07:01,480
two-edged sword here now the next case

2640
02:07:07,330 --> 02:07:04,280
it's 1963 wright-patterson Air Force

2641
02:07:08,980 --> 02:07:07,340
Base this was a captain in the Navy and

2642
02:07:11,620 --> 02:07:08,990
he was later a pilot for Braniff

2643
02:07:14,380 --> 02:07:11,630
Airlines I have his name on file we'll

2644
02:07:16,660 --> 02:07:14,390
call him PJ out of respect for Leonard

2645
02:07:18,190 --> 02:07:16,670
Stringfield this gentleman was on

2646
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:18,200
special assignment at wright-patterson

2647
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:20,000
Air Force Base where he claimed he saw

2648
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:23,360
two fine saucers in a hangar one was in

2649
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:25,370
plain view and popped up on a pedestal

2650
02:07:30,580 --> 02:07:28,010
so there's three cases now of these

2651
02:07:32,380 --> 02:07:30,590
things being propped up right I was

2652
02:07:35,170 --> 02:07:32,390
about thirty feet in diameter had no

2653
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:35,180
rivets that were visible and he felt

2654
02:07:39,670 --> 02:07:36,800
that this was could have been a two-man

2655
02:07:42,250 --> 02:07:39,680
craft the other craft which he did not

2656
02:07:44,500 --> 02:07:42,260
give a dimension for said that it could

2657
02:07:47,140 --> 02:07:44,510
fit maybe twelve people much larger

2658
02:07:49,630 --> 02:07:47,150
craft he was later called in by the base

2659
02:07:52,180 --> 02:07:49,640
authorities in question and he said

2660
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,190
quote I didn't see anything so it looks

2661
02:07:55,930 --> 02:07:54,320
like this gentleman in the game he knew

2662
02:07:57,340 --> 02:07:55,940
how this is played like if you saw

2663
02:07:59,920 --> 02:07:57,350
something you weren't supposed to see

2664
02:08:02,500 --> 02:07:59,930
and one later questioned your mandatory

2665
02:08:04,900 --> 02:08:02,510
replies to be I didn't see anything so

2666
02:08:07,300 --> 02:08:04,910
he was kind of briefed already he knew

2667
02:08:09,610 --> 02:08:07,310
how to play this game so that is the

2668
02:08:13,390 --> 02:08:09,620
wright-patterson Air Force Base 1963

2669
02:08:16,750 --> 02:08:13,400
encounter now and right Pat first off

2670
02:08:18,820 --> 02:08:16,760
another ginormous base right Pat yes not

2671
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:18,830
from all that is a big base I've been

2672
02:08:24,370 --> 02:08:22,010
there a few times and but there's that

2673
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:24,380
part of it the second part of right Pat

2674
02:08:31,780 --> 02:08:27,650
is their foreign technology division

2675
02:08:34,750 --> 02:08:31,790
that's exactly what they do there aside

2676
02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:34,760
from being an air force base it is a

2677
02:08:41,140 --> 02:08:38,350
it's a research facility too as well

2678
02:08:43,150 --> 02:08:41,150
correct that's correct you know it makes

2679
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:43,160
sense that the Roswell debris would go

2680
02:08:47,020 --> 02:08:45,050
there if they're trying to figure out

2681
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:47,030
how something would work you'd want to

2682
02:08:51,310 --> 02:08:48,890
send it there so let's move on to the

2683
02:08:53,890 --> 02:08:51,320
next one UFO at Great Lakes Naval

2684
02:08:55,259 --> 02:08:53,900
Station 1973 another report from the

2685
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:55,269
stringfield's files

2686
02:09:04,540 --> 02:08:58,880
Chicago stop stop stop stop right there

2687
02:09:07,149 --> 02:09:04,550
I was living there in 1973 really okay

2688
02:09:08,890 --> 02:09:07,159
well you know I was born there we we

2689
02:09:11,469 --> 02:09:08,900
talked about that I was born at the

2690
02:09:13,870 --> 02:09:11,479
Great Lakes Naval Air Station which is

2691
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:13,880
on the shore of Lake Michigan in

2692
02:09:17,859 --> 02:09:15,650
Waukegan Illinois that's where I was

2693
02:09:21,699 --> 02:09:17,869
born I lived at Fort Sheridan but then

2694
02:09:23,770 --> 02:09:21,709
moved later off base right outside of

2695
02:09:26,529 --> 02:09:23,780
the gates there at Great Lakes Naval Air

2696
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:26,539
Station in 1973 I was living right there

2697
02:09:33,939 --> 02:09:29,599
I was in I was in the fourth grade fifth

2698
02:09:36,339 --> 02:09:33,949
grade that's where I saw the what I

2699
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:36,349
think was the Los Angeles Zeppelin that

2700
02:09:44,919 --> 02:09:39,280
I was telling you about that was in 1973

2701
02:09:47,799 --> 02:09:44,929
so maybe it wasn't a Zeppelin about

2702
02:09:50,939 --> 02:09:47,809
those days all right all right okay now

2703
02:09:53,739 --> 02:09:50,949
the reference for this is researcher Don

2704
02:09:56,290 --> 02:09:53,749
Jernigan he knew a guard that was

2705
02:09:58,689 --> 02:09:56,300
stationed there in 1973 so he has to get

2706
02:10:01,330 --> 02:09:58,699
credit for this this particular guard

2707
02:10:03,189 --> 02:10:01,340
was outside a remote Quonset style

2708
02:10:05,379 --> 02:10:03,199
building on the northeast sector of the

2709
02:10:07,659 --> 02:10:05,389
base so I thought hmm that's interesting

2710
02:10:11,140 --> 02:10:07,669
can we pin this down so if you go on

2711
02:10:13,989 --> 02:10:11,150
Google Maps and you type in the Naval

2712
02:10:18,939 --> 02:10:13,999
Air Station there and you go to 3d

2713
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:18,949
images there is a Quonset style building

2714
02:10:24,009 --> 02:10:21,679
there on the northeast corner on the

2715
02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:24,019
intersection of paul-jean Street and

2716
02:10:29,020 --> 02:10:27,050
Porter Avenue there is a Quonset style

2717
02:10:31,060 --> 02:10:29,030
building it could be I don't know if

2718
02:10:33,009 --> 02:10:31,070
that's the one but it fits the

2719
02:10:36,129 --> 02:10:33,019
description so that part of the story

2720
02:10:38,679 --> 02:10:36,139
seems to check out here this particular

2721
02:10:41,169 --> 02:10:38,689
guard he was commanded to deliver a

2722
02:10:43,989 --> 02:10:41,179
special message to the commander of

2723
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:43,999
operations and was granted access to

2724
02:10:48,939 --> 02:10:46,249
this building so he goes in this

2725
02:10:51,909 --> 02:10:48,949
building he's met with these two burly

2726
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:51,919
guards who escort him down this hanger

2727
02:10:56,109 --> 02:10:54,169
and they done this corridor they make a

2728
02:10:58,689 --> 02:10:56,119
left-hand turn down another long

2729
02:11:01,169 --> 02:10:58,699
corridor and when they get to the end of

2730
02:11:05,739 --> 02:11:01,179
that one it opens up into this large

2731
02:11:08,500 --> 02:11:05,749
warehouse area the entire inside of this

2732
02:11:11,050 --> 02:11:08,510
area is crawling Jimi with

2733
02:11:14,350 --> 02:11:11,060
these guards holding drawn weapons oh

2734
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:14,360
and what this gem what this guard saw

2735
02:11:21,100 --> 02:11:18,290
was a strange teardrop shaped craft that

2736
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:21,110
was 35 feet in length it was cropped up

2737
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:23,210
on a platform that's four times now

2738
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:25,970
we've heard this the body kind of was

2739
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:27,920
round in the front like a teardrop then

2740
02:11:34,330 --> 02:11:31,370
tapered back to a pointy rear end it had

2741
02:11:37,780 --> 02:11:34,340
kind of a Ridge or lip around the outer

2742
02:11:39,850 --> 02:11:37,790
portion of the craft it was 10 to 15

2743
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:39,860
feet and thick and it had a silver white

2744
02:11:45,100 --> 02:11:42,890
glow around his exterior had no landing

2745
02:11:47,410 --> 02:11:45,110
gear no windows no visible means of

2746
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:47,420
propulsion and featured that small

2747
02:11:53,350 --> 02:11:49,760
flange running on the outside so some

2748
02:11:56,710 --> 02:11:53,360
type of a craft according to Don

2749
02:11:59,530 --> 02:11:56,720
Jernigan who I interviewed this guard

2750
02:12:02,350 --> 02:11:59,540
some type of a craft was being stored at

2751
02:12:06,820 --> 02:12:02,360
this facility in 1973 what was the name

2752
02:12:08,980 --> 02:12:06,830
of the street it is Paul Jones Street

2753
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:08,990
and Porter Evans would be the

2754
02:12:13,690 --> 02:12:10,850
intersection there you can see there's a

2755
02:12:14,980 --> 02:12:13,700
Quonset style I see it I'm looking at it

2756
02:12:18,490 --> 02:12:14,990
I'm looking at it right here

2757
02:12:20,230 --> 02:12:18,500
Wow yep yep huh that could be the place

2758
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:20,240
don't know for sure but it fits the

2759
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:21,050
description

2760
02:12:27,820 --> 02:12:24,050
that's fascinating what I saw was much

2761
02:12:32,050 --> 02:12:27,830
bigger what I saw oh yeah yeah what I

2762
02:12:34,810 --> 02:12:32,060
saw was much bigger now the next case

2763
02:12:40,030 --> 02:12:34,820
this is great stuff by the way well is

2764
02:12:42,040 --> 02:12:40,040
there any reference like if I if I or if

2765
02:12:45,910 --> 02:12:42,050
anybody searches any of this like the

2766
02:12:47,860 --> 02:12:45,920
1958 USS FDR UFO encounter are there

2767
02:12:50,410 --> 02:12:47,870
references online with all of these

2768
02:12:52,090 --> 02:12:50,420
voices it The History Channel did a

2769
02:12:54,430 --> 02:12:52,100
whole series on this it's a wall known

2770
02:12:57,580 --> 02:12:54,440
case okay absolutely well-known case

2771
02:13:00,280 --> 02:12:57,590
yeah oh no doubt about it though okay so

2772
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:00,290
let's move on to the next one the UFO

2773
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:04,400
warehouse Charles will him he spoke to

2774
02:13:08,650 --> 02:13:05,810
Leonard Stringfield gets the credit for

2775
02:13:10,330 --> 02:13:08,660
this he spoke to someone named mrs. G

2776
02:13:12,850 --> 02:13:10,340
we're gonna call her mrs. G she was

2777
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:12,860
dying of cancer she was employed at

2778
02:13:17,770 --> 02:13:15,650
Wright Field during the 1940s and 1950s

2779
02:13:20,710 --> 02:13:17,780
before it was renamed wright-patterson

2780
02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:20,720
Air Force Base so this woman who was

2781
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:22,130
dying of cancer was there

2782
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:26,000
early on very early on she worked in the

2783
02:13:29,740 --> 02:13:27,770
foreign materials division

2784
02:13:32,620 --> 02:13:29,750
she held a top-secret security clearance

2785
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:32,630
and what her job Jimmy was was to

2786
02:13:37,810 --> 02:13:34,850
catalogue any foreign materials that

2787
02:13:41,140 --> 02:13:37,820
came into the base and she told will him

2788
02:13:44,290 --> 02:13:41,150
back in 1955 this happened in 1955 that

2789
02:13:47,260 --> 02:13:44,300
she catalogued quote the contents taken

2790
02:13:47,890 --> 02:13:47,270
from the interior of a crashed UFO end

2791
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:47,900
quote

2792
02:13:52,600 --> 02:13:49,790
there are over a hundred there were over

2793
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:52,610
a thousand components and every item was

2794
02:13:57,550 --> 02:13:55,040
photographed and tagged and she also

2795
02:14:00,459 --> 02:13:57,560
stated that she saw a cart being real

2796
02:14:02,379 --> 02:14:00,469
pass her that had two bodies on it

2797
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:02,389
the bodies were four to five feet in

2798
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:04,370
length they were packed in either a dry

2799
02:14:11,220 --> 02:14:08,650
ice material or some type of chemical

2800
02:14:14,050 --> 02:14:11,230
something that would preserve the bodies

2801
02:14:15,910 --> 02:14:14,060
they were humanoid looking they had

2802
02:14:19,060 --> 02:14:15,920
disproportionately large heads and

2803
02:14:22,419 --> 02:14:19,070
slanted eyes and she basically told will

2804
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:22,429
him later on in 1959 about six months

2805
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:25,130
before she died Uncle Sam can't do

2806
02:14:29,709 --> 02:14:26,960
anything to me once I'm in the grave end

2807
02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:29,719
quote so hat goes off to this lay for

2808
02:14:34,209 --> 02:14:32,330
disclosing what she saw wait a minute

2809
02:14:37,479 --> 02:14:34,219
okay let's back up here let's talk about

2810
02:14:40,660 --> 02:14:37,489
the historical record Roswell and the

2811
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:40,670
wright-patt connection wasn't revealed

2812
02:14:51,250 --> 02:14:46,159
until 1980 and after okay that that the

2813
02:14:53,500 --> 02:14:51,260
there was no wright-patt alien bodies or

2814
02:14:55,689 --> 02:14:53,510
anything that was discussed certainly in

2815
02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:55,699
the public before then she would have

2816
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:57,530
known anything about that in other words

2817
02:15:01,720 --> 02:15:01,280
she couldn't be contaminated right okay

2818
02:15:04,479 --> 02:15:01,730
correct

2819
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:04,489
so this statement was made from her and

2820
02:15:10,530 --> 02:15:09,199
documented in 1959 told will him that in

2821
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:10,540
90

2822
02:15:18,729 --> 02:15:15,440
it happened in 1955 and it was it was

2823
02:15:19,810 --> 02:15:18,739
told to will him in 1959 six months

2824
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:19,820
before she died

2825
02:15:27,879 --> 02:15:24,400
that's incredible yep that's incredible

2826
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:27,889
and now what else did she say about this

2827
02:15:33,729 --> 02:15:31,730
warehouse well I'm just thinking the

2828
02:15:35,740 --> 02:15:33,739
ending scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark

2829
02:15:37,870 --> 02:15:35,750
right that's what I was just picturing

2830
02:15:39,460 --> 02:15:37,880
the boxes these things were bagged at

2831
02:15:42,610 --> 02:15:39,470
Ted they were photographed they were

2832
02:15:45,210 --> 02:15:42,620
inventory there's got to be literally

2833
02:15:47,860 --> 02:15:45,220
crates and warehouses full of this stuff

2834
02:15:50,710 --> 02:15:47,870
along with the gun camera footage all

2835
02:15:52,540 --> 02:15:50,720
the all the things that our good friend

2836
02:15:54,820 --> 02:15:52,550
Wendell Stevens had talked about all the

2837
02:15:56,770 --> 02:15:54,830
gun camera footage from the b-29s that's

2838
02:15:58,180 --> 02:15:56,780
got to be stored there we're talking

2839
02:16:01,480 --> 02:15:58,190
about close range

2840
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:01,490
b-29s with all the cameras rolling were

2841
02:16:06,730 --> 02:16:03,490
these 40 foot diameter disc-shaped craft

2842
02:16:08,590 --> 02:16:06,740
or just behind the trailing edge of the

2843
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:08,600
main wing and just forward of the

2844
02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:10,010
leading edge of the horizontal

2845
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:12,290
stabilizer parked right near the

2846
02:16:15,970 --> 02:16:14,210
fuselage of the b-29s with all the

2847
02:16:19,090 --> 02:16:15,980
cameras going they got this all on film

2848
02:16:24,940 --> 02:16:19,100
I'd always have to be here to I have

2849
02:16:27,700 --> 02:16:24,950
talked to probably a solid five maybe

2850
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:27,710
more of different people that have

2851
02:16:32,860 --> 02:16:29,810
worked civilian and otherwise at

2852
02:16:35,470 --> 02:16:32,870
wright-patt that have all repeated to me

2853
02:16:38,530 --> 02:16:35,480
the same thing Michael which is your

2854
02:16:42,220 --> 02:16:38,540
running joke on the base have you seen

2855
02:16:44,980 --> 02:16:42,230
have you seen the bodies right it's like

2856
02:16:49,419 --> 02:16:44,990
it's what everybody talks if this is the

2857
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:49,429
open secret on on right pad they know

2858
02:16:54,850 --> 02:16:52,250
what's there and people talk about it

2859
02:16:57,129 --> 02:16:54,860
which takes us to do you want to go

2860
02:16:59,410 --> 02:16:57,139
straight into it yeah we'll go into the

2861
02:17:02,440 --> 02:16:59,420
next one here I I agree with Jimmy all

2862
02:17:05,890 --> 02:17:02,450
roads appear to lead to wright-patterson

2863
02:17:08,470 --> 02:17:05,900
Air Force Base all roads do yep they

2864
02:17:11,049 --> 02:17:08,480
really do they really do okay now next

2865
02:17:15,339 --> 02:17:11,059
case alien body seen at wright-patterson

2866
02:17:17,470 --> 02:17:15,349
Air Force Base with a DC 7 Leonard spoke

2867
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:17,480
to a Warrant Officer who worked at

2868
02:17:22,990 --> 02:17:18,800
wright-patterson Air Force Base

2869
02:17:25,089 --> 02:17:23,000
this is 1955 a BC seven arrived at night

2870
02:17:27,580 --> 02:17:25,099
at the base and this particular Warrant

2871
02:17:29,259 --> 02:17:27,590
Officer he basically stated that he was

2872
02:17:32,560 --> 02:17:29,269
at the right place at the right time

2873
02:17:35,259 --> 02:17:32,570
that's how he basically saw this and he

2874
02:17:38,589 --> 02:17:35,269
witnessed the removal of these four

2875
02:17:40,379 --> 02:17:38,599
crates and they were either open or had

2876
02:17:43,930 --> 02:17:40,389
transparent covers he couldn't quite see

2877
02:17:46,419 --> 02:17:43,940
either open or transparent covers he was

2878
02:17:48,730 --> 02:17:46,429
15 feet from the forklift which

2879
02:17:49,490 --> 02:17:48,740
offloaded these crates and they

2880
02:17:51,980 --> 02:17:49,500
contained

2881
02:17:54,860 --> 02:17:51,990
bodies of two male alien creatures and

2882
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:54,870
one female the beings measured

2883
02:17:59,299 --> 02:17:56,490
approximately four feet in length with

2884
02:18:01,129 --> 02:17:59,309
oversized long faces they had a darkish

2885
02:18:03,650 --> 02:18:01,139
green appearance but what was

2886
02:18:05,299 --> 02:18:03,660
interesting as he felt that the

2887
02:18:08,299 --> 02:18:05,309
appearance could have been due to the

2888
02:18:10,220 --> 02:18:08,309
lighting where he was so not that these

2889
02:18:11,629 --> 02:18:10,230
beings look like that but they just had

2890
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:11,639
it due to the lighting that could have

2891
02:18:16,009 --> 02:18:13,889
been a possibility they also removed

2892
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:16,019
several other crates from the aircraft

2893
02:18:22,100 --> 02:18:18,690
which contained debris from from the UFO

2894
02:18:23,799 --> 02:18:22,110
that allegedly crashed he later spoke to

2895
02:18:26,390 --> 02:18:23,809
one of the crew members from the dc-7

2896
02:18:28,459 --> 02:18:26,400
which told him that two of the creatures

2897
02:18:30,110 --> 02:18:28,469
were dead when taking but one was still

2898
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:30,120
alive and talking in some type of a

2899
02:18:35,089 --> 02:18:33,120
garbled language the crewman stated that

2900
02:18:37,250 --> 02:18:35,099
the other crates containing the debris

2901
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:37,260
from the crash were scheduled to be

2902
02:18:42,020 --> 02:18:39,330
taken and delivered to Redstone Arsenal

2903
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:42,030
in Alabama that's the breakdown on this

2904
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:48,450
case this was in 1953 this is in 1955 oh

2905
02:18:57,620 --> 02:18:55,889
I thought it was 1953 okay I've got the

2906
02:19:01,640 --> 02:18:57,630
case here in 1955

2907
02:19:05,330 --> 02:19:01,650
okay 1955 she referenced 1955 are these

2908
02:19:07,759 --> 02:19:05,340
the same cases could be don't know for

2909
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:07,769
sure well could be both that right it

2910
02:19:15,350 --> 02:19:10,559
makes sense they would yeah both that

2911
02:19:20,270 --> 02:19:15,360
right pad now I want to ask you this are

2912
02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:20,280
we are we bringing these crafts down are

2913
02:19:26,930 --> 02:19:22,650
we bringing down are they are they

2914
02:19:30,020 --> 02:19:26,940
crashing on their own well difficult to

2915
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:30,030
say right we've heard reports that some

2916
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:33,120
of the primitives Tesla based radar

2917
02:19:37,610 --> 02:19:34,889
systems were bringing these things down

2918
02:19:39,379 --> 02:19:37,620
right I wouldn't put it past our

2919
02:19:43,400 --> 02:19:39,389
government to pull something like that

2920
02:19:45,049 --> 02:19:43,410
but to prove that would be hard in every

2921
02:19:46,970 --> 02:19:45,059
one of these cases some of these cases

2922
02:19:49,880 --> 02:19:46,980
aren't actually crashes they're soft

2923
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:49,890
landings but some of them absolutely do

2924
02:19:55,730 --> 02:19:51,690
appear to be crashes if were to believe

2925
02:19:58,040 --> 02:19:55,740
what Jackie Gleason saw we have two

2926
02:20:01,220 --> 02:19:58,050
things immediately that come to mind

2927
02:20:01,780 --> 02:20:01,230
number one humans shoot first and ask

2928
02:20:05,310 --> 02:20:01,790
questions

2929
02:20:08,820 --> 02:20:05,320
later yeah that's it's just what we do

2930
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:08,830
and then the second part of this

2931
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:12,110
especially you know five six seven years

2932
02:20:18,040 --> 02:20:15,130
after the ending of World War two and

2933
02:20:22,170 --> 02:20:18,050
entering into the cold war with Russia

2934
02:20:24,970 --> 02:20:22,180
and not knowing what the other side had

2935
02:20:25,690 --> 02:20:24,980
we would probably shoot anything out of

2936
02:20:27,430 --> 02:20:25,700
the sky

2937
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:27,440
we were probably pretty trigger-happy

2938
02:20:32,770 --> 02:20:30,410
and then we would go and figure out what

2939
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:32,780
it was later was it Russian is it is it

2940
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:35,810
a flying saucer it you know what you

2941
02:20:41,500 --> 02:20:38,410
know we just don't know but back then

2942
02:20:43,690 --> 02:20:41,510
there was a lot of fear that was on this

2943
02:20:48,100 --> 02:20:43,700
planet not only with the the flying

2944
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:48,110
saucers but with Russia well the the

2945
02:20:52,930 --> 02:20:49,850
fact that you know if were to believe

2946
02:20:55,060 --> 02:20:52,940
what happened to the marine in 1963 and

2947
02:20:56,470 --> 02:20:55,070
that the fact that they could not breach

2948
02:20:58,360 --> 02:20:56,480
the whole of this thing and this whole

2949
02:21:02,290 --> 02:20:58,370
program was a massive reverse

2950
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:02,300
engineering attempt you know now we have

2951
02:21:05,580 --> 02:21:04,730
to ask the question certainly not

2952
02:21:08,470 --> 02:21:05,590
American built

2953
02:21:10,750 --> 02:21:08,480
Russian built German built I suppose

2954
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:10,760
it's possible but what could the

2955
02:21:15,100 --> 02:21:12,560
Russians have built where we couldn't

2956
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:15,110
breach the whole what about the Germans

2957
02:21:20,530 --> 02:21:18,650
were they working on different metals

2958
02:21:22,270 --> 02:21:20,540
some of the things that were quenched

2959
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:22,280
and were hardened could they have

2960
02:21:27,070 --> 02:21:24,650
produced a metal that would be

2961
02:21:30,610 --> 02:21:27,080
impervious to a laser jackhammers

2962
02:21:32,620 --> 02:21:30,620
diamond tip drill bits is it possible we

2963
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:32,630
have to consider that area as well well

2964
02:21:41,080 --> 02:21:37,490
we have to because even today I with all

2965
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,090
of our advanced technology with with

2966
02:21:45,790 --> 02:21:44,000
metals and metallurgy today we can still

2967
02:21:49,150 --> 02:21:45,800
crack it I don't think there's anything

2968
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:49,160
uncrackable right I'm being serious -

2969
02:21:54,940 --> 02:21:51,200
I'm not playing around about that so

2970
02:21:57,690 --> 02:21:54,950
what would it be that was you know we

2971
02:22:02,620 --> 02:21:57,700
couldn't penetrate it back then in 1953

2972
02:22:06,580 --> 02:22:02,630
1955 1958 that that makes you wonder and

2973
02:22:08,500 --> 02:22:06,590
then there's this the the the million

2974
02:22:11,590 --> 02:22:08,510
dollar question that you know okay well

2975
02:22:13,240 --> 02:22:11,600
you know et you know spends ten thousand

2976
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:13,250
light years you know travels across the

2977
02:22:16,930 --> 02:22:14,170
universe and

2978
02:22:20,830 --> 02:22:16,940
they come here and they suddenly just

2979
02:22:23,410 --> 02:22:20,840
crash well this is my take Michael I

2980
02:22:25,631 --> 02:22:23,420
want your take we can't even figure out

2981
02:22:28,751 --> 02:22:25,641
how to land on the moon or land on Mars

2982
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:28,761
right we haven't figured out how to land

2983
02:22:33,820 --> 02:22:31,280
on Mars we get through that atmosphere

2984
02:22:36,430 --> 02:22:33,830
we're bouncing stuff in that that's

2985
02:22:39,551 --> 02:22:36,440
covered in beach balls that's our land

2986
02:22:42,730 --> 02:22:39,561
that's we're bouncing stuff off of the

2987
02:22:44,801 --> 02:22:42,740
surface of Mars because we can't figure

2988
02:22:47,711 --> 02:22:44,811
out how to get there most of the stuff

2989
02:22:50,530 --> 02:22:47,721
crashes and we feel happy if we get

2990
02:22:53,860 --> 02:22:50,540
something on the surface of Mars and it

2991
02:22:56,290 --> 02:22:53,870
is successful well it's the same thing

2992
02:22:58,301 --> 02:22:56,300
for anybody else that's coming here to

2993
02:23:00,131 --> 02:22:58,311
earth they're not familiar with the

2994
02:23:04,030 --> 02:23:00,141
atmosphere or getting through our

2995
02:23:07,421 --> 02:23:04,040
atmosphere and then getting through the

2996
02:23:10,180 --> 02:23:07,431
turbulence and figuring out how to fly

2997
02:23:13,390 --> 02:23:10,190
here it's it's not that simple you're

2998
02:23:16,110 --> 02:23:13,400
you're surprised when you get here and

2999
02:23:19,900 --> 02:23:16,120
I'm look I'm just trying to be logical

3000
02:23:22,690 --> 02:23:19,910
mmm oh there's always incidents

3001
02:23:25,780 --> 02:23:22,700
involving aircraft carriers on a monthly

3002
02:23:29,770 --> 02:23:25,790
daily basis you know we lose aircraft

3003
02:23:32,200 --> 02:23:29,780
all the time f-18s f4 Vietnam all the

3004
02:23:34,421 --> 02:23:32,210
time so is it possible they lose some -

3005
02:23:36,640 --> 02:23:34,431
maybe it is maybe these maybe they're

3006
02:23:38,501 --> 02:23:36,650
not all that far in advance maybe there

3007
02:23:40,270 --> 02:23:38,511
are only a hundred years advance if

3008
02:23:43,900 --> 02:23:40,280
that's true then we could conceivably

3009
02:23:46,001 --> 02:23:43,910
secure about crashes now what do you

3010
02:23:48,251 --> 02:23:46,011
think before we get to the break when we

3011
02:23:50,381 --> 02:23:48,261
come back we'll talk about J Allen Hynek

3012
02:23:53,440 --> 02:23:50,391
and in the stuff that you pulled out of

3013
02:23:56,860 --> 02:23:53,450
Evanston Illinois but what do you what

3014
02:23:59,440 --> 02:23:56,870
do you think is ultimately gonna happen

3015
02:24:01,211 --> 02:23:59,450
with disclosure you know we got it

3016
02:24:04,810 --> 02:24:01,221
seemed like we cracked the door on it

3017
02:24:07,381 --> 02:24:04,820
back in December of 2017 and then the

3018
02:24:10,570 --> 02:24:07,391
brakes were were just pumped and

3019
02:24:13,870 --> 02:24:10,580
everything's stopped how close are we to

3020
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:13,880
something official well instead of

3021
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:15,530
giving you my opinion let me give you

3022
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:17,690
the opinion of Gordon Cooper he felt

3023
02:24:23,820 --> 02:24:20,090
that the only way that this would ever

3024
02:24:27,460 --> 02:24:23,830
break is if the intelligence community

3025
02:24:29,679 --> 02:24:27,470
basically hands this information

3026
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:29,689
over to the scientific community as a

3027
02:24:33,969 --> 02:24:31,850
United coalition and then they come

3028
02:24:35,950 --> 02:24:33,979
together as a group that's the only way

3029
02:24:39,940 --> 02:24:35,960
this is ever going to come out is if

3030
02:24:41,229 --> 02:24:39,950
this technology is somehow you know

3031
02:24:43,269 --> 02:24:41,239
brought within the fold of the

3032
02:24:45,729 --> 02:24:43,279
scientific community and then they come

3033
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:45,739
together as a united coalition it'll be

3034
02:24:49,479 --> 02:24:47,210
a reliable source

3035
02:24:51,820 --> 02:24:49,489
it'll be reliable engineers personnel

3036
02:24:53,290 --> 02:24:51,830
who are bringing this forth and then it

3037
02:24:55,269 --> 02:24:53,300
be something that the general public

3038
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:55,279
could bite down on because it's coming

3039
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:57,050
from credible sources anything short of

3040
02:25:01,330 --> 02:24:59,840
that anything short of the physical

3041
02:25:02,650 --> 02:25:01,340
evidence that we need to bring it

3042
02:25:04,840 --> 02:25:02,660
forward it's not going to happen so

3043
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:04,850
that's the way that Gordon Cooper felt

3044
02:25:08,530 --> 02:25:06,560
that this would the only way that this

3045
02:25:12,330 --> 02:25:08,540
would actually take place well you know

3046
02:25:15,010 --> 02:25:12,340
avi Loeb the professor out of Harvard

3047
02:25:18,090 --> 02:25:15,020
released another statement and I

3048
02:25:23,620 --> 02:25:18,100
actually exchanged an email with him

3049
02:25:25,570 --> 02:25:23,630
earlier today and the oume mullah object

3050
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:25,580
that came in which is now circling

3051
02:25:30,580 --> 02:25:28,010
around Jupiter and and getting ready to

3052
02:25:33,219 --> 02:25:30,590
head out of our solar system he's saying

3053
02:25:37,090 --> 02:25:33,229
it's a solar sail that it's only one

3054
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:37,100
millimetre thick it that it's not a rock

3055
02:25:44,139 --> 02:25:40,970
and that it is debris from an alien

3056
02:25:46,179 --> 02:25:44,149
spacecraft flying you know cruising at

3057
02:25:49,479 --> 02:25:46,189
an extremely high velocity that an

3058
02:25:53,889 --> 02:25:49,489
asteroid simply just wouldn't do and

3059
02:25:56,260 --> 02:25:53,899
he's sticking by his guns would it but

3060
02:25:58,750 --> 02:25:56,270
you know when he makes a statement like

3061
02:26:00,219 --> 02:25:58,760
that and then we have fast radio bursts

3062
02:26:02,910 --> 02:26:00,229
and we have all this other stuff that's

3063
02:26:06,580 --> 02:26:02,920
coming out of the media right now about

3064
02:26:09,809 --> 02:26:06,590
contact with et is is there a message

3065
02:26:13,690 --> 02:26:09,819
ultimately that's being sent here to us

3066
02:26:15,099 --> 02:26:13,700
you can feel the vibe there's an aura

3067
02:26:17,769 --> 02:26:15,109
going on right now

3068
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:17,779
it does feel like it's picking up I

3069
02:26:21,309 --> 02:26:20,000
don't know where its leading what we're

3070
02:26:24,969 --> 02:26:21,319
feeling something for sure

3071
02:26:28,059 --> 02:26:24,979
yeah and in the media for the last oh

3072
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:28,069
man well life like forever

3073
02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:31,850
right didn't touch this subject now you

3074
02:26:38,860 --> 02:26:36,290
can go on any mass media website today

3075
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:38,870
or turn on the TV and there's something

3076
02:26:44,229 --> 02:26:39,770
there about

3077
02:26:46,029 --> 02:26:44,239
alien contact right right well you'd

3078
02:26:48,340 --> 02:26:46,039
hope that the giggle factor is slowly

3079
02:26:50,859 --> 02:26:48,350
eroding we'd hope that that's the case

3080
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:50,869
so we're heading in that direction

3081
02:26:56,349 --> 02:26:53,210
well when Tucker Carlson and his bow tie

3082
02:26:57,660 --> 02:26:56,359
is talking UFOs on Fox I think we're

3083
02:27:01,599 --> 02:26:57,670
getting close

3084
02:27:04,510 --> 02:27:01,609
serious too he's the last guy that I

3085
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:04,520
thought would straight face the UFO

3086
02:27:10,809 --> 02:27:08,090
subject but he's he's straight facing it

3087
02:27:12,910 --> 02:27:10,819
he is not there is no giggle fact

3088
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:12,920
they're not cueing the x-files music

3089
02:27:17,979 --> 02:27:15,770
anymore yeah well you can't argue with

3090
02:27:19,899 --> 02:27:17,989
our fighter pilots if we hear about

3091
02:27:22,029 --> 02:27:19,909
Gordon Cooper seeing these and it's

3092
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:22,039
corroborated by other pilots and you can

3093
02:27:26,859 --> 02:27:23,930
bank on it's a done deal yeah I totally

3094
02:27:28,660 --> 02:27:26,869
only be ashamed at this point when we

3095
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:28,670
come back let's take a break right here

3096
02:27:34,050 --> 02:27:31,369
when we come back J Allen Hynek that's

3097
02:27:37,240 --> 02:27:34,060
right project Bluebook I am so jealous

3098
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:37,250
about what Michael shrap was able to do

3099
02:27:41,139 --> 02:27:38,960
for three years ten years ago and let's

3100
02:27:45,189 --> 02:27:41,149
go through all of the Koufos files there

3101
02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:45,199
in Evanston Illinois and procure the

3102
02:27:48,819 --> 02:27:46,970
good stuff we'll talk about all of that

3103
02:27:53,330 --> 02:27:48,829
when we come back this is fade to black

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Michael strat moving straight into

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overtime

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Michael had he's been talking about this

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for a while but he he told me about him

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going to have instant Illinois going

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ten years ago 60,000 files and file

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cabinets and spending the time to go

3197
02:33:11,540 --> 02:33:06,869
through all of those files and yank the

3198
02:33:14,809 --> 02:33:11,550
ones that were special and I saw a few

3199
02:33:17,479 --> 02:33:14,819
of those over the weekend I've I have no

3200
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:17,489
idea how much material you're sitting on

3201
02:33:22,729 --> 02:33:21,210
Michael but when you tell me this is the

3202
02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:22,739
picture I want to paint for everybody

3203
02:33:27,950 --> 02:33:25,050
when you tell me okay I've got 10 cases

3204
02:33:30,830 --> 02:33:27,960
I want to talk about that I was able to

3205
02:33:34,210 --> 02:33:30,840
pull from there I have to just stop and

3206
02:33:37,010 --> 02:33:34,220
and and just pause and and just wonder

3207
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:37,020
you know what would stand out out of

3208
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:40,560
those 60,000 cases for years so let's go

3209
02:33:45,889 --> 02:33:43,050
to number one okay let's go to number

3210
02:33:47,719 --> 02:33:45,899
one okay so here is a this is a case I

3211
02:33:50,300 --> 02:33:47,729
pulled out of the Q post files which I

3212
02:33:52,099 --> 02:33:50,310
think is the best one I've got just for

3213
02:33:54,050 --> 02:33:52,109
the caliber of the witness and what he

3214
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:54,060
described I've got the cover letter

3215
02:34:00,109 --> 02:33:57,439
right here it's it's dated December 24th

3216
02:34:01,849 --> 02:34:00,119
1974 it had been buried I don't think

3217
02:34:06,439 --> 02:34:01,859
anyone has ever even seen this case

3218
02:34:08,660 --> 02:34:06,449
letters dated December 24th 1974 dr. J

3219
02:34:10,639 --> 02:34:08,670
Allen Hynek and I'm just gonna read this

3220
02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:10,649
cover pager it's not too long

3221
02:34:18,290 --> 02:34:15,810
dr. Hynek if it would be any interest to

3222
02:34:20,689 --> 02:34:18,300
you or your associates I can forward to

3223
02:34:24,109 --> 02:34:20,699
you a report concerning an observation

3224
02:34:26,149 --> 02:34:24,119
of two UFOs and low altitude flight with

3225
02:34:29,929 --> 02:34:26,159
attention to a few particular details

3226
02:34:31,910 --> 02:34:29,939
which might be of some value this is not

3227
02:34:34,729 --> 02:34:31,920
a questionable blinking light color

3228
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:34,739
changing what it what is it sort of

3229
02:34:41,929 --> 02:34:38,640
sighting but a very close-up look at two

3230
02:34:45,229 --> 02:34:41,939
pieces of strange but solid hardware in

3231
02:34:45,881 --> 02:34:45,239
full operation the incident is two years

3232
02:34:48,610 --> 02:34:45,891
old

3233
02:34:50,320 --> 02:34:48,620
but it is verifiable as to being a

3234
02:34:52,841 --> 02:34:50,330
qualified observer I've held a

3235
02:34:54,100 --> 02:34:52,851
commercial pilot's license since the

3236
02:34:57,041 --> 02:34:54,110
early 1940s

3237
02:34:59,591 --> 02:34:57,051
I'm an ex-navy pilot trained in instant

3238
02:35:01,810 --> 02:34:59,601
recognition a Coast Guard search and

3239
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:01,820
rescue pilot and have some transpacific

3240
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:04,160
passenger-carrying service included

3241
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:06,290
should be found background for any

3242
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:07,210
skywatching

3243
02:35:11,980 --> 02:35:10,160
possibly anything I can report will

3244
02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:11,990
merely be repetition however I think

3245
02:35:17,020 --> 02:35:14,240
some of it might be useful know

3246
02:35:19,690 --> 02:35:17,030
notoriety and no publication of any

3247
02:35:22,091 --> 02:35:19,700
information sent is desired please

3248
02:35:24,850 --> 02:35:22,101
advise if interested and I'll leave his

3249
02:35:27,610 --> 02:35:24,860
name out but this is the cover letter

3250
02:35:30,490 --> 02:35:27,620
for this case and what this gentleman

3251
02:35:33,820 --> 02:35:30,500
saw along with his life and their

3252
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:33,830
daughter was incredible he'd described I

3253
02:35:39,610 --> 02:35:36,880
included in this case was a four-page

3254
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:39,620
handwritten description of the craft

3255
02:35:44,801 --> 02:35:42,170
itself actually two of them and then at

3256
02:35:46,600 --> 02:35:44,811
least two pages of detailed sketches of

3257
02:35:49,291 --> 02:35:46,610
what this thing looked like just

3258
02:35:54,791 --> 02:35:49,301
incredible break it down for you here

3259
02:35:58,331 --> 02:35:54,801
December 26 1972 my recibo Venezuela 8

3260
02:36:00,430 --> 02:35:58,341
p.m. ex-navy pilot his wife and daughter

3261
02:36:03,751 --> 02:36:00,440
saw this they're living on the top floor

3262
02:36:07,301 --> 02:36:03,761
of their fourteenth floor apartment and

3263
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:07,311
what they saw facing northeast at the

3264
02:36:12,461 --> 02:36:09,920
time was what they originally thought

3265
02:36:15,070 --> 02:36:12,471
was kind of a craft with an engine fire

3266
02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:15,080
he thought maybe this might have been an

3267
02:36:19,091 --> 02:36:16,610
airliner with an engine fire or

3268
02:36:21,551 --> 02:36:19,101
something he wasn't sure but he saw kind

3269
02:36:24,791 --> 02:36:21,561
of this orange engine fire approaching

3270
02:36:26,860 --> 02:36:24,801
his location as it got closer he

3271
02:36:29,650 --> 02:36:26,870
immediately thought well this is no

3272
02:36:31,751 --> 02:36:29,660
commercial airliner whatsoever and this

3273
02:36:33,730 --> 02:36:31,761
thing got within a hundred and fifty

3274
02:36:35,921 --> 02:36:33,740
feet of all three witnesses they got a

3275
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:35,931
very clear view of the underside of this

3276
02:36:40,810 --> 02:36:38,210
thing it was a lipped achill in shape

3277
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:40,820
and this can be seen on that legacy of

3278
02:36:45,160 --> 02:36:43,040
UFO case files drawing that I sent you

3279
02:36:46,711 --> 02:36:45,170
it's within that drawing you can see

3280
02:36:49,360 --> 02:36:46,721
what this thing actually looked like

3281
02:36:52,690 --> 02:36:49,370
elliptical in shape round in front

3282
02:36:56,591 --> 02:36:52,700
tapering back the extreme aft end was

3283
02:36:58,349 --> 02:36:56,601
completely cut off like square an abrupt

3284
02:37:00,380 --> 02:36:58,359
cut off I

3285
02:37:04,439 --> 02:37:00,390
attached to the bottom of this craft

3286
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:04,449
sort of forward of the centerline were

3287
02:37:10,739 --> 02:37:07,680
these two 36 inch diameter opposed

3288
02:37:13,170 --> 02:37:10,749
hemispherical type insulators with two

3289
02:37:15,330 --> 02:37:13,180
opposing electrodes and there was about

3290
02:37:17,880 --> 02:37:15,340
a five inch gap between these two

3291
02:37:20,489 --> 02:37:17,890
electrodes and this continuous

3292
02:37:24,119 --> 02:37:20,499
electrical arc was going back between

3293
02:37:25,949 --> 02:37:24,129
these hemispheres Wow after the yep

3294
02:37:29,399 --> 02:37:25,959
after the craft disappeared over the

3295
02:37:32,040 --> 02:37:29,409
horizon Jimmy a second identical craft

3296
02:37:34,649 --> 02:37:32,050
came right in back of this one so they

3297
02:37:38,429 --> 02:37:34,659
saw two of these things just incredible

3298
02:37:40,290 --> 02:37:38,439
now around if you go back one third from

3299
02:37:43,080 --> 02:37:40,300
the leading edge of this craft all

3300
02:37:45,960 --> 02:37:43,090
around both left right and rear of this

3301
02:37:50,609 --> 02:37:45,970
craft were these cast iron looking

3302
02:37:53,159 --> 02:37:50,619
exhaust ports that had two ports per

3303
02:37:55,409 --> 02:37:53,169
grouping so there was four going along

3304
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:55,419
the entire outer circumference of this

3305
02:38:00,420 --> 02:37:57,520
vehicle and if you describe what looked

3306
02:38:03,869 --> 02:38:00,430
like an s-shaped electrical arcing flame

3307
02:38:05,899 --> 02:38:03,879
coming out of these exhaust ports as

3308
02:38:07,979 --> 02:38:05,909
this thing near the edge of town

3309
02:38:09,869 --> 02:38:07,989
accelerated and then disappeared from

3310
02:38:11,929 --> 02:38:09,879
flight following the same direction as

3311
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:11,939
the first one so that's this case

3312
02:38:23,719 --> 02:38:18,010
December 26 1972 I have no idea in my

3313
02:38:27,359 --> 02:38:23,729
mind's eye what is going on here the

3314
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:27,369
electrical and I hate to say the word

3315
02:38:35,119 --> 02:38:31,600
Tesla but I feel something there and the

3316
02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:35,129
electrodes very very strange a

3317
02:38:40,859 --> 02:38:37,810
description of this craft that doesn't

3318
02:38:42,689 --> 02:38:40,869
sound like it yep when you read this

3319
02:38:45,859 --> 02:38:42,699
guy's description you know we've kind of

3320
02:38:48,750 --> 02:38:45,869
covered it here and you see his drawings

3321
02:38:50,550 --> 02:38:48,760
you will be hit with the fact that this

3322
02:38:52,529 --> 02:38:50,560
gentleman is telling the truth no

3323
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:52,539
question about this is not a joke this

3324
02:38:57,330 --> 02:38:54,479
is not science fiction

3325
02:39:00,149 --> 02:38:57,340
we read you just one sentence at the end

3326
02:39:03,029 --> 02:39:00,159
of his description here he says much

3327
02:39:04,679 --> 02:39:03,039
more description could be given but

3328
02:39:07,349 --> 02:39:04,689
would serve little purpose without

3329
02:39:10,290 --> 02:39:07,359
something tangible and the main points

3330
02:39:11,969 --> 02:39:10,300
has been touched upon however may I add

3331
02:39:15,090 --> 02:39:11,979
that these two craft discs

3332
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:15,100
were identical finite pieces of hardware

3333
02:39:20,189 --> 02:39:17,770
and probably not too far beyond

3334
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:20,199
something any of our top aircraft plans

3335
02:39:27,929 --> 02:39:22,810
could produce what year what year was

3336
02:39:31,739 --> 02:39:27,939
this this was 1972 December 26 1972

3337
02:39:37,649 --> 02:39:31,749
Venezuela and is this what I'm looking

3338
02:39:38,399 --> 02:39:37,659
at here I actually gave me yes I got a

3339
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:38,409
copy

3340
02:39:46,710 --> 02:39:42,090
this is it right here and I have no idea

3341
02:39:52,500 --> 02:39:46,720
this is this is this is crazy and the

3342
02:39:56,689 --> 02:39:52,510
s-shaped yeah exhaust and Bluebook was

3343
02:40:01,830 --> 02:39:59,340
that's right had been buried this had

3344
02:40:04,229 --> 02:40:01,840
been buried within the qfo archives for

3345
02:40:06,450 --> 02:40:04,239
years and the second I pulled it out I

3346
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:06,460
go I know no one's seen this one it's so

3347
02:40:10,710 --> 02:40:09,010
buried and I immediately started going

3348
02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:10,720
on it immediately immediately started

3349
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:13,210
modeling it up doing a nice AutoCAD

3350
02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:15,130
drawing I wanted to make this case come

3351
02:40:19,559 --> 02:40:17,050
alive but this guy did a great job on

3352
02:40:22,109 --> 02:40:19,569
his sketches they're just a fantastic

3353
02:40:26,309 --> 02:40:22,119
job and he describes it in excruciating

3354
02:40:28,170 --> 02:40:26,319
detail how big okay so it's it's cut off

3355
02:40:31,469 --> 02:40:28,180
at the end but it's kind of a teardrop

3356
02:40:33,330 --> 02:40:31,479
shape I'm holding it at a camera so

3357
02:40:38,040 --> 02:40:33,340
everybody fifty feet in length

3358
02:40:42,989 --> 02:40:38,050
forty feet in width okay and so there it

3359
02:40:46,139 --> 02:40:42,999
is there again what was it 80 by 50 50

3360
02:40:49,590 --> 02:40:46,149
feet in length 40 feet in width 50 by 40

3361
02:40:51,569 --> 02:40:49,600
that's an incredible case and something

3362
02:40:53,790 --> 02:40:51,579
that when you pulled it out you had

3363
02:40:57,389 --> 02:40:53,800
never you never heard of this case

3364
02:40:59,040 --> 02:40:57,399
before not not until I saw it the first

3365
02:41:00,719 --> 02:40:59,050
day when I was there at cue so it's when

3366
02:41:03,059 --> 02:41:00,729
I pulled out of the file I just

3367
02:41:05,219 --> 02:41:03,069
immediately recognized that this has

3368
02:41:07,950 --> 02:41:05,229
never been seen this configuration is

3369
02:41:11,819 --> 02:41:07,960
one of the most unusual configurations

3370
02:41:14,489 --> 02:41:11,829
with in ufology and it's just just crazy

3371
02:41:17,010 --> 02:41:14,499
it's just unbelievable and the fact that

3372
02:41:19,559 --> 02:41:17,020
it has these you know now they weren't

3373
02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:19,569
necessarily cast-iron they look like yes

3374
02:41:24,840 --> 02:41:22,090
I mean but he said that it looked like

3375
02:41:25,801 --> 02:41:24,850
tongues of flame s-shaped tongues of

3376
02:41:28,230 --> 02:41:25,811
flame were coming

3377
02:41:30,900 --> 02:41:28,240
these exhaust ports all around the left

3378
02:41:33,180 --> 02:41:30,910
hand right hand backside what they

3379
02:41:36,180 --> 02:41:33,190
weren't flames they were like these

3380
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:36,190
electrical are wave patterns coming out

3381
02:41:39,690 --> 02:41:37,840
of this thing not necessarily flames

3382
02:41:42,570 --> 02:41:39,700
which I thought was very interesting now

3383
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:42,580
what's the next case and I'm hoping it's

3384
02:41:52,051 --> 02:41:49,840
gonna be the the Santa golly case well

3385
02:41:54,330 --> 02:41:52,061
the next case is actually now within the

3386
02:41:56,881 --> 02:41:54,340
qfo archives they had handwritten

3387
02:41:58,890 --> 02:41:56,891
letters they had night-cap files there

3388
02:42:02,100 --> 02:41:58,900
they had air profiles there as well a

3389
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:02,110
lot of obscure a profiles were also part

3390
02:42:05,580 --> 02:42:03,490
of this collection now I want to go over

3391
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:05,590
one case that I think is extremely

3392
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:09,040
interesting because of just the size of

3393
02:42:14,910 --> 02:42:11,200
what this primary eyewitness identify

3394
02:42:16,381 --> 02:42:14,920
now when we first met Saturday I showed

3395
02:42:19,770 --> 02:42:16,391
you the illustration of what this looked

3396
02:42:21,270 --> 02:42:19,780
like now this is February 28 1983 Mobile

3397
02:42:23,730 --> 02:42:21,280
Alabama mm-hmm

3398
02:42:25,410 --> 02:42:23,740
the primary eyewitness is driving home

3399
02:42:28,171 --> 02:42:25,420
from a dinner engagement somewhere

3400
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:28,181
around 9:00 p.m. when she heard this

3401
02:42:32,881 --> 02:42:30,730
explosion her whole car started

3402
02:42:35,100 --> 02:42:32,891
vibrating now this is also on that

3403
02:42:39,150 --> 02:42:35,110
legacy drawing excite you it's on the

3404
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:39,160
upper row about I think three over from

3405
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:41,050
the left or something very large crash

3406
02:42:46,020 --> 02:42:42,880
so she pulls over to the side of the

3407
02:42:47,850 --> 02:42:46,030
road she leans kind of out of her car

3408
02:42:50,040 --> 02:42:47,860
door under her car to see if the

3409
02:42:52,530 --> 02:42:50,050
transmission fell out everything seemed

3410
02:42:56,040 --> 02:42:52,540
to be fine she got in her car she went

3411
02:43:01,381 --> 02:42:56,050
another half mile forward and then to

3412
02:43:03,890 --> 02:43:01,391
her northeast she sees this large 210

3413
02:43:07,051 --> 02:43:03,900
footlong craft that's 80 feet high

3414
02:43:10,200 --> 02:43:07,061
moving toward her about 4 to 5 miles per

3415
02:43:12,270 --> 02:43:10,210
hour and she said quote it had this

3416
02:43:15,330 --> 02:43:12,280
unlike the whipping of the wind or

3417
02:43:17,640 --> 02:43:15,340
tornado when it got really close to her

3418
02:43:20,520 --> 02:43:17,650
location it stopped and was completely

3419
02:43:22,261 --> 02:43:20,530
silent so she got out her card to get a

3420
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:22,271
better look at this thing the entire

3421
02:43:28,051 --> 02:43:24,730
sighting lasted about five minutes and

3422
02:43:29,580 --> 02:43:28,061
just to go over a brief description of

3423
02:43:31,350 --> 02:43:29,590
what this thing looked like the upper

3424
02:43:34,200 --> 02:43:31,360
deck of this craft had this curved

3425
02:43:36,001 --> 02:43:34,210
transparent window and she could see 20

3426
02:43:38,551 --> 02:43:36,011
to 30 people inside that were walking

3427
02:43:39,270 --> 02:43:38,561
around behind that curved window was a

3428
02:43:41,850 --> 02:43:39,280
curve

3429
02:43:43,740 --> 02:43:41,860
wall that was white in color and these

3430
02:43:45,620 --> 02:43:43,750
beings that she described were kind of

3431
02:43:48,060 --> 02:43:45,630
pale skin they were dressing these

3432
02:43:50,040 --> 02:43:48,070
one-piece tight-fitting flight suits

3433
02:43:53,400 --> 02:43:50,050
they were about 5 feet 10 inches tall

3434
02:43:55,310 --> 02:43:53,410
had no hair the tops of their heads were

3435
02:43:58,801 --> 02:43:55,320
a little bit more prominent than ours

3436
02:44:02,070 --> 02:43:58,811
below this deck was an opaque window

3437
02:44:04,740 --> 02:44:02,080
that wasn't and indented into the craft

3438
02:44:06,511 --> 02:44:04,750
and it had tinted windows I'm not making

3439
02:44:10,470 --> 02:44:06,521
this up this is directly from the echo

3440
02:44:13,290 --> 02:44:10,480
report sounds crazy there was below this

3441
02:44:15,990 --> 02:44:13,300
window was a door that was closing from

3442
02:44:18,660 --> 02:44:16,000
right to left and kind of right within

3443
02:44:21,690 --> 02:44:18,670
this door area she said that there was

3444
02:44:25,620 --> 02:44:21,700
this black asphalt road that went inside

3445
02:44:28,980 --> 02:44:25,630
this craft looking on the left side of

3446
02:44:31,980 --> 02:44:28,990
this opening she saw a wall that had

3447
02:44:34,261 --> 02:44:31,990
these tubes pipes and cylinders on it

3448
02:44:36,270 --> 02:44:34,271
just like the bottom understructure of

3449
02:44:37,740 --> 02:44:36,280
the Hudson Valley brewery the Belgium

3450
02:44:39,841 --> 02:44:37,750
triangle and the southern Illinois

3451
02:44:43,140 --> 02:44:39,851
triangle so now we're looking at 12

3452
02:44:46,350 --> 02:44:43,150
separate cases with the same tubes pipe

3453
02:44:49,381 --> 02:44:46,360
cylinders within these vehicles the

3454
02:44:51,870 --> 02:44:49,391
entire exterior of the craft had these

3455
02:44:53,970 --> 02:44:51,880
portholes and rivets that appear to be

3456
02:44:55,530 --> 02:44:53,980
fastening this whole thing together

3457
02:44:57,900 --> 02:44:55,540
she looked through one of these

3458
02:45:00,270 --> 02:44:57,910
portholes that was lighted and she

3459
02:45:03,540 --> 02:45:00,280
reported seeing these huge eye beams

3460
02:45:06,211 --> 02:45:03,550
kind of identical to what Dennis sent

3461
02:45:07,801 --> 02:45:06,221
had seen in his siding near Brewster New

3462
02:45:10,261 --> 02:45:07,811
York during the whole Hudson Valley

3463
02:45:13,711 --> 02:45:10,271
boomerang wave the bottom of the craft

3464
02:45:16,830 --> 02:45:13,721
was kind of tapered upward in tears like

3465
02:45:20,220 --> 02:45:16,840
a wedding cake it got smaller as it

3466
02:45:22,591 --> 02:45:20,230
tapered up and it this thing reminded

3467
02:45:24,780 --> 02:45:22,601
her of a submarine in appearance on the

3468
02:45:27,511 --> 02:45:24,790
bottom of this vehicle there was another

3469
02:45:29,700 --> 02:45:27,521
one of these transparent gondolas that

3470
02:45:32,070 --> 02:45:29,710
had the same five-foot-ten

3471
02:45:34,970 --> 02:45:32,080
humanoid-looking beings dressed in these

3472
02:45:37,470 --> 02:45:34,980
one-piece tight-fitting flight suits

3473
02:45:41,551 --> 02:45:37,480
directly connected to this bottom

3474
02:45:44,850 --> 02:45:41,561
gondola were these 24 inch by 24 inch

3475
02:45:46,921 --> 02:45:44,860
highly polished reflective mirrors that

3476
02:45:49,650 --> 02:45:46,931
made up a cross on the bottom of this

3477
02:45:52,171 --> 02:45:49,660
vehicle this is a strange craft you just

3478
02:45:53,010 --> 02:45:52,181
can't make this stuff up so these were

3479
02:45:55,080 --> 02:45:53,020
these Polish

3480
02:45:58,080 --> 02:45:55,090
on the bottom of the craft she also

3481
02:46:00,120 --> 02:45:58,090
noticed four pipes extruding from the

3482
02:46:01,950 --> 02:46:00,130
midsection of this creditor were going

3483
02:46:04,229 --> 02:46:01,960
out between six to eight feet

3484
02:46:07,260 --> 02:46:04,239
she felt that these look like guns or

3485
02:46:09,660 --> 02:46:07,270
cannons she wasn't quite sure and these

3486
02:46:13,469 --> 02:46:09,670
were surrounded by three to four foot

3487
02:46:16,050 --> 02:46:13,479
square boxes after that this thing

3488
02:46:19,219 --> 02:46:16,060
departed a slowly to speed near a nearby

3489
02:46:23,130 --> 02:46:19,229
wooded area and that's this case 1983

3490
02:46:26,069 --> 02:46:23,140
what's fascinating Kenny's fascinating

3491
02:46:29,880 --> 02:46:26,079
case yeah but not as fascinating as the

3492
02:46:34,130 --> 02:46:29,890
hamburger face dude and oh yeah we've

3493
02:46:37,979 --> 02:46:34,140
got to I made you promise that we would

3494
02:46:43,950 --> 02:46:37,989
discuss this case and this was 1967 in

3495
02:46:46,620 --> 02:46:43,960
Idaho and we have to this is this is one

3496
02:46:52,170 --> 02:46:46,630
of the I mean how many aliens drive a

3497
02:46:55,260 --> 02:46:52,180
car right I mean I mean how many reports

3498
02:46:58,189 --> 02:46:55,270
I okay anyway hold on we're get we're

3499
02:47:05,689 --> 02:46:58,199
getting ahead of our skis here this was

3500
02:47:09,359 --> 02:47:05,699
in Ryrie Idaho yeah yep November 2nd

3501
02:47:10,769 --> 02:47:09,369
1967 and there I'm holding this up to

3502
02:47:12,740 --> 02:47:10,779
the camera I'm gonna go ahead and let

3503
02:47:15,960 --> 02:47:12,750
you write what happened on this night

3504
02:47:18,510 --> 02:47:15,970
okay okay so this is a famous case with

3505
02:47:21,719 --> 02:47:18,520
in ufology I didn't make this up the qfo

3506
02:47:25,740 --> 02:47:21,729
archives included at least five pages of

3507
02:47:28,649 --> 02:47:25,750
notes and then a detailed hand-drawn

3508
02:47:32,729 --> 02:47:28,659
pencil sketch so what you're holding up

3509
02:47:34,920 --> 02:47:32,739
is a very accurate reproduction of the

3510
02:47:40,130 --> 02:47:34,930
original sketch this is rarely Idaho

3511
02:47:43,559 --> 02:47:40,140
November 2nd 1967 so this strange craft

3512
02:47:45,029 --> 02:47:43,569
it's not a really big craft maybe six

3513
02:47:47,939 --> 02:47:45,039
feet in diameter three feet high

3514
02:47:51,059 --> 02:47:47,949
according to the eyewitness sketch this

3515
02:47:53,240 --> 02:47:51,069
craft parks itself in the front of this

3516
02:47:55,590 --> 02:47:53,250
running car two gentlemen are in the car

3517
02:47:58,500 --> 02:47:55,600
just like right in front of the hood

3518
02:48:01,170 --> 02:47:58,510
section not too far from that it's like

3519
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:01,180
pulling the car off the road into this

3520
02:48:06,180 --> 02:48:03,600
kind of a cleared grass field area and

3521
02:48:08,610 --> 02:48:06,190
then the top

3522
02:48:11,211 --> 02:48:08,620
canapé of this dish shaped craft opens

3523
02:48:14,671 --> 02:48:11,221
up and this three-foot-tall being

3524
02:48:17,220 --> 02:48:14,681
levitates out of this craft opens up the

3525
02:48:19,230 --> 02:48:17,230
car door you know this is rapport in the

3526
02:48:22,230 --> 02:48:19,240
sighting report here he opens up the

3527
02:48:24,331 --> 02:48:22,240
door he pushes the two gentlemen over to

3528
02:48:26,940 --> 02:48:24,341
the right side of the passenger seat

3529
02:48:29,820 --> 02:48:26,950
gets behind the vehicle and it did not

3530
02:48:31,980 --> 02:48:29,830
say in the report how he got his foot on

3531
02:48:34,530 --> 02:48:31,990
the pedals since he was only three feet

3532
02:48:36,331 --> 02:48:34,540
tall it doesn't say how he actually got

3533
02:48:39,060 --> 02:48:36,341
his foot on the pedals but he drove this

3534
02:48:42,030 --> 02:48:39,070
car at least another quarter to half

3535
02:48:44,581 --> 02:48:42,040
mile down the road and stopped at that

3536
02:48:46,411 --> 02:48:44,591
point the gentleman on the far

3537
02:48:48,631 --> 02:48:46,421
right-hand side of the vehicle who is by

3538
02:48:52,501 --> 02:48:48,641
the passenger door opens up the door in

3539
02:48:55,711 --> 02:48:52,511
absolute horror he runs away and then

3540
02:48:57,390 --> 02:48:55,721
this being exits the vehicle hovers back

3541
02:49:00,121 --> 02:48:57,400
into the bubble canopy and then this

3542
02:49:03,001 --> 02:49:00,131
thing departs and they had a detailed

3543
02:49:04,801 --> 02:49:03,011
sketch and while this was occurring and

3544
02:49:06,570 --> 02:49:04,811
he was in the vehicle with the two

3545
02:49:09,270 --> 02:49:06,580
gentlemen he was making these

3546
02:49:10,711 --> 02:49:09,280
high-pitched bird chirping noise in an

3547
02:49:13,161 --> 02:49:10,721
attempt to communicate to the two

3548
02:49:16,470 --> 02:49:13,171
eyewitnesses now they could not decipher

3549
02:49:18,661 --> 02:49:16,480
what he was trying to say but they did

3550
02:49:20,341 --> 02:49:18,671
talk about like this high-pitched bird

3551
02:49:23,220 --> 02:49:20,351
chirping noise that this creature was

3552
02:49:25,350 --> 02:49:23,230
making now the face of this being was

3553
02:49:28,440 --> 02:49:25,360
very odd they said quote look like a

3554
02:49:31,381 --> 02:49:28,450
hamburger face very strange rough

3555
02:49:33,331 --> 02:49:31,391
textured face something that we really

3556
02:49:35,730 --> 02:49:33,341
haven't heard about with in ufology so

3557
02:49:39,301 --> 02:49:35,740
this is the famous rare e Idaho case

3558
02:49:42,091 --> 02:49:39,311
November 2nd 1967 yeah and they

3559
02:49:44,220 --> 02:49:42,101
described a few things that and I went

3560
02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:44,230
through the report with you but there's

3561
02:49:51,570 --> 02:49:46,210
a few things that I found very

3562
02:49:55,761 --> 02:49:51,580
interesting clear dome right and and the

3563
02:49:58,831 --> 02:49:55,771
two the two ETS could be seen sitting

3564
02:50:02,761 --> 02:49:58,841
under the clear dome the craft itself

3565
02:50:03,360 --> 02:50:02,771
was only six feet in diameter that's

3566
02:50:05,161 --> 02:50:03,370
correct

3567
02:50:07,591 --> 02:50:05,171
six feet in diameter according to the

3568
02:50:08,671 --> 02:50:07,601
original sketch yes and and three feet

3569
02:50:12,450 --> 02:50:08,681
high

3570
02:50:15,150 --> 02:50:12,460
right and then when it took off it

3571
02:50:18,160 --> 02:50:15,160
looked like it was glowing on the bottom

3572
02:50:21,850 --> 02:50:18,170
of it yes

3573
02:50:25,740 --> 02:50:21,860
a green color at the bottom and and and

3574
02:50:28,990 --> 02:50:25,750
green and orange lights that were

3575
02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:29,000
changing color too as well correct

3576
02:50:34,090 --> 02:50:31,490
that's also in the sketch as well yeah

3577
02:50:37,060 --> 02:50:34,100
pretty pretty interesting but he drove

3578
02:50:42,490 --> 02:50:37,070
it too strange case it's a great case

3579
02:50:45,310 --> 02:50:42,500
and the the the hamburger faced alien

3580
02:50:49,720 --> 02:50:45,320
okay I think we have time for one maybe

3581
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:49,730
two more okay I want to do it that's

3582
02:50:53,650 --> 02:50:51,920
fine that's fine okay so let's move on

3583
02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:53,660
to another case we talked about this

3584
02:50:58,120 --> 02:50:55,610
from when I was there as well

3585
02:50:59,890 --> 02:50:58,130
this case I think is very significant

3586
02:51:02,470 --> 02:50:59,900
just for the fact that the primary

3587
02:51:05,080 --> 02:51:02,480
eyewitness described some incredible

3588
02:51:10,301 --> 02:51:05,090
detail just incredible detail it's also

3589
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:10,311
within that legacy of UFO cases drawing

3590
02:51:14,590 --> 02:51:12,170
that ascent you as well now I call this

3591
02:51:16,540 --> 02:51:14,600
the lightbulb prayer you have a copy of

3592
02:51:20,380 --> 02:51:16,550
the drawing new I do he's going on

3593
02:51:22,600 --> 02:51:20,390
November 20th 1956 danielson Connecticut

3594
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:22,610
I've got her original four-page report

3595
02:51:26,620 --> 02:51:24,410
and a detailed sketch of what the craft

3596
02:51:30,970 --> 02:51:26,630
actually it looks like it was a clear

3597
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:30,980
night it was around 11:59 p.m. she saw

3598
02:51:36,580 --> 02:51:33,530
this light approaching her house at the

3599
02:51:41,440 --> 02:51:36,590
time it was completely silent it looked

3600
02:51:44,740 --> 02:51:41,450
like a half sphere approximately mmm you

3601
02:51:46,560 --> 02:51:44,750
could say maybe 10 feet high and this

3602
02:51:49,330 --> 02:51:46,570
thing was not transparent but

3603
02:51:51,370 --> 02:51:49,340
translucent he made that a point to make

3604
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:51,380
that that this thing was not transparent

3605
02:51:56,650 --> 02:51:54,290
but was translucent and it had this

3606
02:51:58,480 --> 02:51:56,660
yellow glow coming from the interior of

3607
02:52:00,340 --> 02:51:58,490
it now here's the part where it starts

3608
02:52:02,801 --> 02:52:00,350
getting interesting now this thing came

3609
02:52:05,380 --> 02:52:02,811
down to her location within 20 feet of

3610
02:52:07,180 --> 02:52:05,390
her came back up and she got a good look

3611
02:52:09,910 --> 02:52:07,190
at the bottom of this thing just before

3612
02:52:13,060 --> 02:52:09,920
it nearly hit her roof as this thing

3613
02:52:15,970 --> 02:52:13,070
departed but she said number one that it

3614
02:52:18,340 --> 02:52:15,980
had this raised section or floor that

3615
02:52:20,710 --> 02:52:18,350
was indented 2 feet from the bottom left

3616
02:52:24,810 --> 02:52:20,720
lip of the craft so we've got this floor

3617
02:52:27,310 --> 02:52:24,820
here then she said that around the outer

3618
02:52:30,490 --> 02:52:27,320
intersection of the craft there were at

3619
02:52:32,291 --> 02:52:30,500
least 24 what she called light sockets

3620
02:52:34,451 --> 02:52:32,301
now embedded

3621
02:52:38,020 --> 02:52:34,461
in these light sockets were these large

3622
02:52:40,421 --> 02:52:38,030
oversized doughnuts and then between

3623
02:52:43,690 --> 02:52:40,431
these three doughnuts were these black

3624
02:52:46,121 --> 02:52:43,700
Tesla coil black structures connecting

3625
02:52:48,371 --> 02:52:46,131
these doughnuts that were connected to

3626
02:52:50,680 --> 02:52:48,381
these light sockets now these were

3627
02:52:52,690 --> 02:52:50,690
rotating in a clockwise fashion they

3628
02:52:55,051 --> 02:52:52,700
were all multicolored they were these

3629
02:52:58,661 --> 02:52:55,061
sockets themselves were orange in color

3630
02:53:01,991 --> 02:52:58,671
but then she said on the bottom of each

3631
02:53:03,791 --> 02:53:02,001
of these three doughnuts and I'm just

3632
02:53:06,881 --> 02:53:03,801
gonna hit you with exactly what she said

3633
02:53:09,730 --> 02:53:06,891
there were curved lines loops and dots

3634
02:53:13,001 --> 02:53:09,740
dashes that look like ancient Arabic

3635
02:53:15,371 --> 02:53:13,011
writing it also reminded her of what you

3636
02:53:18,190 --> 02:53:15,381
would see at the perimeter of a Persian

3637
02:53:19,961 --> 02:53:18,200
rug or something like a Mayan pyramid

3638
02:53:23,470 --> 02:53:19,971
inscription or something similar to

3639
02:53:25,780 --> 02:53:23,480
Aztec pottery and this is identical on

3640
02:53:28,631 --> 02:53:25,790
each one of these doughnuts that she saw

3641
02:53:30,820 --> 02:53:28,641
at least 24 of these and these were all

3642
02:53:34,001 --> 02:53:30,830
indented within that 2 foot floor

3643
02:53:36,430 --> 02:53:34,011
section and just the last time she saw

3644
02:53:38,831 --> 02:53:36,440
this they were revolving over the

3645
02:53:41,860 --> 02:53:38,841
Connecticut Light and Power office and

3646
02:53:45,701 --> 02:53:41,870
that is this case November 20 November

3647
02:53:49,421 --> 02:53:45,711
20th 1956 now she says yeah November

3648
02:53:54,161 --> 02:53:49,431
20th 1956 this dome it's like a half a

3649
02:53:57,371 --> 02:53:54,171
half a half a sphere the glass or the

3650
02:54:01,780 --> 02:53:57,381
dome itself is one foot thick all right

3651
02:54:03,881 --> 02:54:01,790
so it's one foot thick glass the bottom

3652
02:54:07,421 --> 02:54:03,891
portion of it there's a lip that goes in

3653
02:54:10,751 --> 02:54:07,431
these bulbs are moving around it not

3654
02:54:14,530 --> 02:54:10,761
moving our position around and the craft

3655
02:54:18,100 --> 02:54:14,540
itself was 25 feet in in diameter no

3656
02:54:22,360 --> 02:54:18,110
seams no openings nothing no windows no

3657
02:54:27,581 --> 02:54:22,370
doors correct just what she saw and the

3658
02:54:30,541 --> 02:54:27,591
the three doughnut shaped I don't know

3659
02:54:34,421 --> 02:54:30,551
if that's a good way to describe it very

3660
02:54:37,121 --> 02:54:34,431
interesting you know it's it I can't I

3661
02:54:39,850 --> 02:54:37,131
can't relate this to anything you know

3662
02:54:42,551 --> 02:54:39,860
yeah I know and when and and what I mean

3663
02:54:45,461 --> 02:54:42,561
by that is when when I tried to debunk

3664
02:54:46,030 --> 02:54:45,471
something Michael and I hear somebody's

3665
02:54:47,200 --> 02:54:46,040
to screw

3666
02:54:48,429 --> 02:54:47,210
you know of something I'm trying to

3667
02:54:51,070 --> 02:54:48,439
think of something I've seen in the past

3668
02:54:54,250 --> 02:54:51,080
or maybe that they have seen and they

3669
02:54:57,370 --> 02:54:54,260
are maybe embellishing or taking

3670
02:54:59,019 --> 02:54:57,380
something very terrestrial and then

3671
02:55:01,690 --> 02:54:59,029
trying to turn it into something that

3672
02:55:05,679 --> 02:55:01,700
it's not that's what I do right with

3673
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:05,689
this this this isn't like anything it

3674
02:55:11,559 --> 02:55:07,760
just doesn't that doesn't make any

3675
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:11,569
common sense nope she goes into great

3676
02:55:16,599 --> 02:55:14,000
detail on her sketch I mean this is a

3677
02:55:18,700 --> 02:55:16,609
beautifully drawn hand-drawn sketch and

3678
02:55:21,880 --> 02:55:18,710
she's got these Peruvian rug

3679
02:55:23,260 --> 02:55:21,890
descriptions embedded within these Tesla

3680
02:55:26,889 --> 02:55:23,270
coil doughnuts I mean she did a

3681
02:55:28,750 --> 02:55:26,899
fantastic job just a beautiful job I bet

3682
02:55:30,790 --> 02:55:28,760
my life on it I know it's true I mean

3683
02:55:32,740 --> 02:55:30,800
just by reading her account she talks

3684
02:55:36,250 --> 02:55:32,750
about the flight path the description

3685
02:55:38,559 --> 02:55:36,260
the balls the rotating description of

3686
02:55:41,670 --> 02:55:38,569
how they were rotating but just the

3687
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:41,680
description of these arabic writings or

3688
02:55:46,570 --> 02:55:44,720
mayan pottery clay inscriptions on the

3689
02:55:51,370 --> 02:55:46,580
bottom log I thought was it historically

3690
02:55:55,000 --> 02:55:51,380
significant michael y know i should say

3691
02:56:00,250 --> 02:55:55,010
when when is this going to get digitized

3692
02:56:02,889 --> 02:56:00,260
and go public you've got tens of

3693
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:02,899
thousands of pages right it's an

3694
02:56:07,450 --> 02:56:05,210
outrageous amount of material that

3695
02:56:10,900 --> 02:56:07,460
you're sitting on right but the public

3696
02:56:12,670 --> 02:56:10,910
needs to see this okay well to answer

3697
02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:12,680
part of the question and this is not a

3698
02:56:17,620 --> 02:56:15,010
plug I don't get paid for any of this

3699
02:56:22,660 --> 02:56:17,630
during the Leonard Stringfield research

3700
02:56:25,809 --> 02:56:22,670
when when John Harrison got access to

3701
02:56:28,360 --> 02:56:25,819
the official dictation notes by

3702
02:56:30,460 --> 02:56:28,370
Leonard's secretary that this is 75

3703
02:56:33,700 --> 02:56:30,470
three-ring binders that are over at

3704
02:56:35,139 --> 02:56:33,710
Orange County Airport the MU font

3705
02:56:37,300 --> 02:56:35,149
headquarters there that's where this

3706
02:56:39,880 --> 02:56:37,310
information is stored there I made an

3707
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:39,890
agreement with Jan Tarzan that I would

3708
02:56:44,740 --> 02:56:42,319
write a book that includes detailed

3709
02:56:47,110 --> 02:56:44,750
descriptions based directly off of the

3710
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:47,120
dictation notes and then make the cases

3711
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:50,090
come alive via illustrations drawings

3712
02:56:55,030 --> 02:56:52,010
technical engineering drawings and make

3713
02:56:58,030 --> 02:56:55,040
these cases come alive so by going

3714
02:56:59,960 --> 02:56:58,040
through all 75 binders I picked out a

3715
02:57:01,760 --> 02:56:59,970
hundred 19 cases that I felt

3716
02:57:04,010 --> 02:57:01,770
had some really good meat on the bones

3717
02:57:06,559 --> 02:57:04,020
and put them into a booklet called

3718
02:57:09,080 --> 02:57:06,569
retrievals of the Third Kind cosmic

3719
02:57:10,969 --> 02:57:09,090
crashes corpses and cover-ups so it's

3720
02:57:13,490 --> 02:57:10,979
kind of a namakkal energy string field

3721
02:57:15,290 --> 02:57:13,500
so the cases that we talked about this

3722
02:57:18,260 --> 02:57:15,300
evening all the crash retrieval cases

3723
02:57:21,740 --> 02:57:18,270
the illustrations the drawings some of

3724
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the details are within this booklet I'm

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not getting paid for it I do it for free

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of charge it's a crew say to me but this

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is available on the MUFON website the

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other ones that we've talked about I've

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discussed within multiple YouTube

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presentations that are given over the

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years and that that's just kind of how I

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roll so it's available it's out there

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for sure

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yeah I can I imagine I'm gonna talk to

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you off of the air I've got something

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here I want to talk to you about but so

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I'm gonna ask you to hang on and then

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I've and then then we'll talk but

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Michael I want to thank you an amazing

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amazing amazing show tonight and you and

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I the other day I'm pounding coffee I

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didn't want that to end that should have

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been like that should have been a 72

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hour thank you so much Michael stay

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right there

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and we'll talk to you right after I roll

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these credits I've got to get out of

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here before the network cuts me off

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thank you so much Michael Michael

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shraddh Michael you just stay right

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there Wow everybody's gonna keep this

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going keep this going

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we just talked for two and a half

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straight hours what a conversation

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tonight

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